You got shrubbed not only for abusing a hugely gold-generating bug, likely for months and months, but also using ANOTHER bug or two to cut down sailing times to make that gold generation even more insane than it already was.
If you don't get that, you really, honestly should probably find another game and not even appeal after the single year. Logic is necessary to play Achaea to its full extent and enjoyment.
Obviously, if the admin find it easier to just shrub people than own up to their own mistakes. The help files on the homeport crap don't state anything about "using it as a last ditch effort" ...
Homeport (Seafaring) Known: Yes
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Syntax: INVOKE HOMEPORT
Details:
This powerful seaspell will return your vessel to the harbour that it
last departed. Once cast, the spell will summon a powerful storm to
transport you great distances.
Where in that does it say "ONLY USE THIS IN EMERGENCIES!!" Where does it say, "DON'T USE THIS IN A PORT!!"
Logic has nothing to do with it.. And still no answer as to why the others that did this same thing haven't come to the same fate.
Our second big batch of ship changes are now live! Here's the details of the changes in this batch:
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* HOMEPORT has been added as a new transcendent ability. This will allow you and your ship to return
to the harbour of your last departure at high cost - handy for situations where you need to depart
the realms in a hurry while in the middle of a voyage.
19.5 BUGS, IDEAS, AND TYPOS
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Bug Abuse
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If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is! If you have found a way to
generate huge amounts of gold or experience by entering a single command over
and over, or if you are able to instantly kill people twice your level with one
punch, then you have probably encountered a bug. Please err on the side of
caution and report possible bugs, and refrain from exploiting the ones that
have not yet been fixed. See HELP HONOUR.
I mean, it's all pretty clear. I'm not even going to acknowledge your conspiracy theory nonsense that you're spewing in some vain home to attempt to reflect the blame you've been given and are trying to hand off. That is not how adults take responsibility, that is how children function.
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Noted.. if you come back to a game you haven't played in forever you have to scour news posts for a bug you may have missed in the off chance that it could get you shrubbed some day with no warning. Got it.
Well okay we're only reading this in fragments so why don't we make an actual example here.
You accept the trade at Tasur'ke and sail to Zaphar and dock, then undock.
You sail across the sea of screamed prayers and the chop maze to Thraasi, dock and buy several hundred crates of grain. (give or take 15-20 minutes?)
You use Homeport while docked at Thraasi to insta-travel back to Zaphar, bypassing the Sea of Screamed Prayers, exchange the grain for sugar. (a couple of seconds?)
Then you just sail up northwards to Tasur'ke without having to run into any more chops. (another 10-15 minutes).
With an accomplice you snowball your trades (each worth 50k) until all the cargo is spent. (maybe 5 minutes?)
If you have a resetting/nondecay figurehead, you use Homeport again to immediately warp to Thraasi, bypassing nearly 30+ minutes of sailing, buy a fresh stock of cargo and sail to Zaphar. etc etc
If you're feeling even lazier you can even trade your grain for sugar and then homeport back to Thraasi to top up more grain.
At the end of an hour you probably have over half a million gold in your pocket, which already exceeds the gold cap for anyone earning their gold by hunting (which is supposed to be the most common source of gold generation)
Is there any part of this that sounds like it's not suspicious or questionable?
Melodie is exactly right. I hadn't even heard of people using it on a regular basis. Would be interesting to know the how many really were. I'd like to hope the intent of the ability did make it's way correctly to the majority of the players.
Anyhow, I think you are kind of forgetting the "flavour" of the risk which is right under that paragraph in AB HOMEPORT. Something you didn't have to go back and read. You just read it yourself to post it.
"Be warned, using the Homeport ability will come at a great cost,
destroying your figurehead in the process (or draining and dismounting
resetting ones). Your vessel must be in prime condition to withstand the
rigours of this journey, and any damage to this ship while returning
will cause the spell to fail."
If this was meant to be anytime, any situation quick travel, it likely wouldn't have "great cost" and "be warned" attached to it. Hermit and Universe in tarot, Raido rune, etherchannel, piercing the vale all lack the contextual indications that it is not meant to be something used regularly and freely at low cost to the user.
I think they mean using homeport between harbours. I don't think that's an obvious bug. Seemed to me a reasonable use of the power given that doing it has a high time or gold or credit cost.
It was never meant to be what that was. If you read the announce post for it, it even states that it's not a fast travel ability. It's designed as an emergency escape from a mechanic that generally takes hours to get out of.
The announce post says it's useful for those situations. Doesn't say it's only intended to be used for those situations. Where are you seeing somewhere that it says it's not a fast travel ability? Also, are people supposed to know what's in announce posts from before they even existed?
From reading the help scroll, I don't think there's any way to know that homeport's intended purpose did not include travel. I'm not defending the trading bug, I'm saying that homeport being used as a fast way to get home from Suliel (given that it will cost you 10k plus a trip near Zaphar to consecrate) seems like a reasonable use of the ability.
I'm saying that homeport being used as a fast way to get home from Suliel (given that it will cost you 10k plus a trip near Zaphar to consecrate) seems like a reasonable use of the ability.
So don't dock. That's the tradeoff if you still want use Homeport for travel.
I'm just stating what the intent was at the time of that skill going on, as far as I recall. The argument was sailing takes too long, emergencies come up and people wanted a way out of it. So that skill was given for that reason.
Im not sure it was intended for you to use it several times a day or an hour.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Why would they intend to have quick travel be used as a way to not sail in open waters, when the entire point of seafaring at large is to sail the open waters and interact with people there?
If you want to get from Suliel to Tasur in a minute, there is an old Achaean saying: If you want convenience, there's an expensive artefact for that. It was called Chenubian Wings. Considering they very recently stopped allowing for outer island exits (Jan. 2017), I'd say it wasn't too much of a stretch to see the intent wasn't to allow you to bypass great distances and a time sink. Reducing a trip that can be more an hour of playtime to a moment, and a trip to Cyrene for a new pre-consecrated figurehead doesn't fall under "great cost."
Eh. It's not reasonable to expect people to read every announce post to determine how an ability is supposed to function. Not to mention he only said "handy for..." There are plenty of things that may be "handy for" one thing but players come up with a different use, and they aren't all bugs.
I don't sail though. I just think some of this (like expecting awareness of an old announce) is a stretch. It sounds like they only shrubbed people who used the bugs to make ridiculous amounts of gold though. If that's the case, the ability to make such an unreasonable amount of gold compared to other activities was the giveaway, moreso than whether each individual bug "seemed okay" on its own.
I totally agree with @shara. I was faux-dormant when the big seafaring changes were made. I came back full-time and checked out the new skills - nothing else, didn't scour any news posts or anything.
Immediately when I read homeport for the first time, I knew it was for emergencies, like having to take a dog to the vet. It's so obvious that it wasn't for fast travel, that the thought it wasn't for fast travel never even crossed my mind.
The idea that it's for non-emergency fast-travel use, or even worse: "hey i can get a bunch figureheads and bounce across the map to complete dozens of ship trades, having to consecrate a new batch maybe once a day, and this is totally intended" is blowing my mind.
I get the generation gap between old gamers and kids these days, but I mean... come on.
@Morzakai did bug this issue months ago, it seems, and was told it was "working as intended" as far as two captains completing many trade deals.. Just throwing that out there.
Semantics or intent aside, the fairness of using this tactic to generate gold could have been validated at any point with a bug report, issue or even just an informal message. There is basically no real excuse for going an extended period of time without doing this, when the income generation rate outpaced standard means (and dramatically at that).
@Cooper ships that participated in the bug, so if someone lent a bugger their ship it got deleted. At least from what I know. Any admin/player feel free to correct me
Semantics or intent aside, the fairness of using this tactic to generate gold could have been validated at any point with a bug report, issue or even just an informal message. There is basically no real excuse for going an extended period of time without doing this, when the income generation rate outpaced standard means (and dramatically at that).
I know of at least 3 reports that were supposed to have been submitted and 1 now confirmed from Frederich on this one. This sat around for a long time. That in no way excuses any of it, but it complicates it.
Gold exploits are kind of super obvious. When you can do something to outproduce other standard methods over time by a factor of 10 or more, you haven't discovered that one weird trick that makes other players hate you for being successful. You've discovered an exploit.
This holds true for quests, mobs, seafaring, mining, it doesn't matter. In any event, this is probably going to take awhile to sort out. That the high-rolling exploiters probably made gifts of what they bought is only going to make matters worse, honestly, and show how far reaching this actually is.
Heh, all this made double check on Greys (had a few people message me on skype), had me worried as it happened a couple times when I first found it (so maybe gamed 50-60k from the system). Afterwards, always brought in one person per trade. I was surprised how long it persisted. You could make decent gold legitimately but yeah it had a finite cap (usually was easy to find someone who had not done their trade for the month and was willing to for 2500 gold).
Yes, I was one of the people who did this. Yes, I was shrubbed. I take full responsibility for my actions because at the end of the day it should have been obvious to me that it was "too good to be true".
I had come back and was doing trades the old fashioned way because wasn't even sure what the deal with the Ship and Personal distinctions were. So when someone said to me a couple of weeks ago, "Hey, you're doing that wrong, do it this way and you can make a lot more for the time and effort", obviously that should have been a red flag, but I ignored it and jumped on the trade train. Seemed like the obvious choice at the time. It wasn't until people started getting zapped that I thought, "Well, I've really messed up."
At the end of the day, something like this obviously has an effect on the game in various ways, and in hindsight, that really sucks.
Either way, I have no qualms about the punishment doled out and think it appropriate considering the details and magnitude of how this affected the game over the course of apparently the last year. I really should have just hung up my hat the moment I started losing interest in the MUD experience.
Now that's how a responsible adult reacts. Thank you.
I really hope I don't have to represent some of y'all in real life trouble. Keep your fucking mouth shut if you did something dumb, then when you get caught, apologize and don't act indignant.
I really hope I don't have to represent some of y'all in real life trouble. Keep your fucking mouth shut if you did something dumb, then when you get caught, apologize and don't act indignant.
You can represent Kresslack, the rest of them are beyond help on this thread
I really hope I don't have to represent some of y'all in real life trouble. Keep your fucking mouth shut if you did something dumb, then when you get caught, apologize and don't act indignant.
You can represent Kresslack, the rest of them are beyond help on this thread
I'm gonna represent pro bono publico. Can I get a petition to suspend remainder of sentence hearing for my guy? I'm sure we can get some character witnesses. He's clearly amenable to correction, and to my knowledge doesn't have a history of prior violations or negative rulings. He may even be willing to be a witness against his co-defendants.
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Obviously, if the admin find it easier to just shrub people than own up to their own mistakes. The help files on the homeport crap don't state anything about "using it as a last ditch effort" ...
Homeport (Seafaring) Known: Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Syntax: INVOKE HOMEPORT Details: This powerful seaspell will return your vessel to the harbour that it last departed. Once cast, the spell will summon a powerful storm to transport you great distances.
Where in that does it say "ONLY USE THIS IN EMERGENCIES!!" Where does it say, "DON'T USE THIS IN A PORT!!"
Logic has nothing to do with it.. And still no answer as to why the others that did this same thing haven't come to the same fate.
I mean, it's all pretty clear. I'm not even going to acknowledge your conspiracy theory nonsense that you're spewing in some vain home to attempt to reflect the blame you've been given and are trying to hand off. That is not how adults take responsibility, that is how children function.
That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
Is there any part of this that sounds like it's not suspicious or questionable?
Anyhow, I think you are kind of forgetting the "flavour" of the risk which is right under that paragraph in AB HOMEPORT. Something you didn't have to go back and read. You just read it yourself to post it.
"Be warned, using the Homeport ability will come at a great cost,
If this was meant to be anytime, any situation quick travel, it likely wouldn't have "great cost" and "be warned" attached to it. Hermit and Universe in tarot, Raido rune, etherchannel, piercing the vale all lack the contextual indications that it is not meant to be something used regularly and freely at low cost to the user.
From reading the help scroll, I don't think there's any way to know that homeport's intended purpose did not include travel. I'm not defending the trading bug, I'm saying that homeport being used as a fast way to get home from Suliel (given that it will cost you 10k plus a trip near Zaphar to consecrate) seems like a reasonable use of the ability.
Im not sure it was intended for you to use it several times a day or an hour.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
If you want to get from Suliel to Tasur in a minute, there is an old Achaean saying: If you want convenience, there's an expensive artefact for that. It was called Chenubian Wings. Considering they very recently stopped allowing for outer island exits (Jan. 2017), I'd say it wasn't too much of a stretch to see the intent wasn't to allow you to bypass great distances and a time sink. Reducing a trip that can be more an hour of playtime to a moment, and a trip to Cyrene for a new pre-consecrated figurehead doesn't fall under "great cost."
I don't sail though. I just think some of this (like expecting awareness of an old announce) is a stretch. It sounds like they only shrubbed people who used the bugs to make ridiculous amounts of gold though. If that's the case, the ability to make such an unreasonable amount of gold compared to other activities was the giveaway, moreso than whether each individual bug "seemed okay" on its own.
Immediately when I read homeport for the first time, I knew it was for emergencies, like having to take a dog to the vet. It's so obvious that it wasn't for fast travel, that the thought it wasn't for fast travel never even crossed my mind.
The idea that it's for non-emergency fast-travel use, or even worse: "hey i can get a bunch figureheads and bounce across the map to complete dozens of ship trades, having to consecrate a new batch maybe once a day, and this is totally intended" is blowing my mind.
I get the generation gap between old gamers and kids these days, but I mean... come on.
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Tecton-Today at 6:17 PM
That's exactly what I meant.
Gold exploits are kind of super obvious. When you can do something to outproduce other standard methods over time by a factor of 10 or more, you haven't discovered that one weird trick that makes other players hate you for being successful. You've discovered an exploit.
This holds true for quests, mobs, seafaring, mining, it doesn't matter. In any event, this is probably going to take awhile to sort out. That the high-rolling exploiters probably made gifts of what they bought is only going to make matters worse, honestly, and show how far reaching this actually is.
I'm gonna represent pro bono publico. Can I get a petition to suspend remainder of sentence hearing for my guy? I'm sure we can get some character witnesses. He's clearly amenable to correction, and to my knowledge doesn't have a history of prior violations or negative rulings. He may even be willing to be a witness against his co-defendants.