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As far as hinder, Alchemist has the luxury of keeping a target permanently off herb balance. I find the battling ginger vs bloodroot on every single eq to be pretty effective at slowing down offense.
One of four things will happen by that point, either you'll die since you couldn't tank your opponent's offense. You could alternate between nailing Inundate Sanguine/Iron/Stupidity and Temper/Iron/Stupidity until they get below 60% health and mana, use Temper/Aurify and win. Or you -also- temper the Melancholic, switch your inundating around and bleed the mana off, forcing them to tank the bleeding. Probably get Aurify here too. Or, the opponent gets tired of screwing around here and just leaves.
I was considering using something like Inundate Melancholic/Aurify, but I seem to always screw that up. Since trying to use inundate drains -all- the fluids when you screw up (In my experience), there's no point. Better to just Temper/Aurify to catch yourself if you screw up, because by that time, it's probably been a while into the combat, my opponent probably has their fluid levels under control. It could work in theory, though.
Finally, there's absolutely no point in using Truewrack, in my opinion. It uses fluids, and why would I use Truewrack when stupidity on it's own is clearly just the better choice, from my perspective? I'm trying to build those up, and Truewrack doesn't really add anything. Furthermore, I need the Humours those afflictions come from tempered. By that time, it'd be easier to keep inundating Sanguine and aim for Aurify.
That's just the basics I use. There's definitely more to it, but some I just don't have the skills for it, like using corruption. That'd be a time saver on some levels. Not like I survive long enough to pull half this stuff off most of the time anyway. I usually get slaughtered before that point.
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If it were something like, for every humour above one you have tempered, add another affliction, I'd use it a lot more. But again, way too overpowered. That's a lot of herbs being eaten, and the fluids would just skyrocket from that point, even with a fluid cost. I just can't find a use for Truewrack at all, not in the long run.
And of course, if you screw up with Inundate, there goes every single drop of fluid! No mercy, there goes the last two minutes you've been working on. Might as well back out at that point. Missing with inundate should be enough of a penalty, since I'd have to wait until the next time I have humour balance, which by that time, I've probably already lost quite a lot of fluid just from that.
Oh, and someone was talking about temper going through shields, which I could agree, I see how it might be seen as overpowered. But we have to give up our main attack, Iron, to hit you with Copper. So instead of our usual temper/iron/wrack getting you it's just temper/wrack. So it's not a huge thing, but it's more an issue that I've had battle where Iron literally decided that particular battle, because I got a guy down to 59% health, and inundate Sanguine alone wasn't doing anything.
If it really -is- too much, I mean, we could have it so that if you're shielded, the fluids don't drain, or ginger doesn't work, or something. That'd be something, but they both be really hard to balance. Either way would really screw over one side, either the alchemist, or the opponent. The real question you need to be asking here though is, how much ginger should you have to eat to drop a fluid level? Too much an the alchemist gets nowhere. Too little, and the alchemist is overpowered.
In the end though, as I stated above, I think it's fine as is. It's not like inundate where it was overpowered, being all like temper/iron/inundate. That's just insane. There's a reason inundate was moved to humour balance. Temper going through shield is fine right now, I think.
As an aside, though, I do like how alchemy appears to be almost unaffected by any stats you have. I mean, except for Iron, it would make alchemists -way- too overpowered if Intelligence actually made temper give even more fluids or inundate sanguine made you bleed more or something. It makes no sense for any skill in alchemy or physiology aside from iron to be dictated by any stat. It would either be too overpowered, or on the lower end, it would make the alchemist useless in most combat.
As usual, just a disclaimer that I'm maybe a mid-level combatant, and I'm missing some physiology skills, so any criticism and comments are greatly appreciated!
Though what do you mean by "Double up on the stupidity"? Am I missing something here? You can only wrack once, Truewrack aside. Unless you're using an envenomed weapon or something, which is much different.
I mostly agree with Truewrack, though combined with tempering in general, removing that limitation might bring it from mostly-useless to a little overpowered. Maybe. Hard to say, without actually trying it.
I just checked my logs. We fought three times 1v1 when you were alchemist. Last time I didn't evade or do any other defensive thing at all. Time before that I evaded several times, yes, but you shielded distinctly more often. Time before that, I evaded a single time, with you again shielding lots of times.
Sometimes I evade, sure. That's mostly when I'm hypnoing and can't thus keep up any offence. But I still pretty much always remain much more offensive than the alchemist I'm fighting.
Maybe you were counting the times when you teamed me though - well, yeah, I sometimes get a bit more defensive when I'm in a situation where I can be killed in a couple of seconds if I don't...
The times I teamed you you never evaded cuz you died, and you always evade and run away from me Iocun, lies dont become us
In the absence of logs, @Iocun clearly wins this, as no one is going to trust a six-fingered man.
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tl;dr: post is wrong
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~15 seconds of ginger to cure fluid levels after you temper a humour (which if I recall drops fluid levels and means he's nowhere near high fluid levels), without any herb balance being used on wrack afflictions (which come at no cost while tempering).
A single temper on target will put them at "Slightly elevated" which is level 2 (out of 5 levels max) It will fall off to level 1 within 10 seconds without any curing. From there it will take 1 minute 2 seconds to return to normal internal fluid level with NO curing. Just natural decay.
Again from normal fluid levels a single temper on target with healing will take them roughly 18 seconds to fully cure. (10 antimony flakes/ginger)
Pushing a target to full level 5 (Critically elevated internal fluid) without them healing until that point will take roughly 2 and a half minutes to cure spamming flakes/ginger starting at full
If they start healing the moment you start tempering. You get roughly 2 levels of fluid per each temper minus healing = 1 and 1/2 fluid levels easily (with them spam curing) per temper.
So, it takes you 4 tempers (Temper balance 4.5 seconds) while they are healing to get someone to full. At which point they will need no less then 2 minutes of herb eating to cure out of (not counting other special class curing methods)
So recap: takes you 18 seconds to fully temper a humour. Takes them then 2.5 minutes to cure it if you don't continue or throw in other afflictions. Hope the math helps!
Edit: Also I noticed just how easy it is to walk away and screw an Alchemist. Torso/Mount Block/Icewall all very easy to get around. And Ether Displace with a 9 second cast is far to slow to catch an evade even if you hit it the moment they evade/leap/mount jump/etc etc. Simple fact, fighting an Alchemist: walk away every 4th/5th Temper and they will never get a fully tempered humor, GG. At least classes using limb prep can pick up on limb damage where they left off.
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I would like to see ways for alchemists to matter more early in the fight and be less godly by the end unless you run like hell.
The fluid tick (when fluids drop naturally, return to normal, humours get untempered, etc.) is every 5 seconds.
The maximum fluid value is between 50 and 51 ticks worth of fluids. Tempering beyond that is wasted.
General Tempering:
With no humours tempered, a single temper adds somewhere between 13 and 14 ticks worth of fluids.
With a single humour tempered, tempering adds about 11 ticks worth of fluid.
No data yet for 2+ humours.
Tempering Humours:
Tempering the first humour removes somewhere between 11 and 13 ticks worth of fluids, a bit less than a single 0-humour temper adds.
I would assume the same amount of fluids are removed when tempering the second-fourth humours, but I haven't tested it.
Ginger/Antimony:
With no humours tempered, removes 1 tick (probably slightly more than 1) worth of fluids.
With 1 humour tempered, removes roughly somewhere around ~1.2-ish ticks worth of fluids, but it's hard to get very precise numbers.
With 2 humours tempered, somewhere between 1.5-ish and 1.6-ish.
With 3 humours tempered, somewhere between 1.8-ish and 1.9-ish.
No testing on 4, but I think it's the same as 3.
Tl;dr: Going from max fluids to normal fluids with 1 humour tempered is ~1 minute of constant ginger/antimony. With 2 humours tempered, ~45 seconds. With 3 tempered, ~30 seconds. Usually it will be less than this, because you won't be kept at max fluids the entire fight.
I found druid to be far more effective against it than runewarden though. Perhaps the speed of the limb breaks helped a lot.
Still, alchemists are not fun to fight against, ever. Imho
Syntax: TEMPER <target> [humour]
The body is held in balance by four vital fluids, called humours. Humourism is the science of manipulating these humours via the ether to cause illness in another.
In order to manipulate these humours, an alchemist must first raise the fluid level of an opponent. This is done via TEMPER <target>. Tempering is on its own special balance, though requires possessing both balance and equilibrium. Tempering increases your target's fluid level, which decreases slowly over time, and may be sped by eating the ginger herb or antimony mineral.
While your opponent's increased fluid level has no impact on his or her body itself, upon reaching a sufficient amount you may redirect that fluid to one of his or her humours, using TEMPER <target> <humour>. This will cause a special passive effect on the target. The humours and their effects are:
Choleric (yellow bile): Random curing abilities will have a chance of failing.
Melancholic (black bile): Irid moss and potash will have a reduced healing benefit.
Phlegmatic (phlegm): Smoking will have a chance of filling your lungs with phlegm, leaving you unable to smoke for a short while.
Sanguine (blood): Bleeding will increase over time.
Humours will return to their normal levels over time if the overall fluid level reaches zero.
Only one humour may be tempered at once with this ability; training in Physiology will allow for more freedom in tempering multiple humours.