Shop of Wonders - What are you hoping for?

Eld

Blujixapug said:

Ruth said:

5 crowns for that maritime ledger isn't very worth, given there's only two ports with trade deals daily. Expensive laziness! Unless we're looking at opening more ports with deals?!

I'm a little concerned that ledgers undermine one of the balancing factors of ship trade deals, potentially serving as the same initial investment = free money button as trader's satchels, but I'm not sure how it will work out in practise.

How is the walk from your home city to Tasur'ke to Thraasi a balancing factor?

Yae

From the announcement, I thought it'd be an ocarina that could summon different critters depending on the environment type you were on. It was only one type for 4 crowns. However, I bought it anyway to see if it has any cool features (and ocarinas are pretty cool).

Judging from the small grammar stuff and bugs so far, it seems like the shipment was hastily brought out when people got 'where's the promised goods?'

Would like to see a bit of changes worked on it to make it worth the cost. Even a bit if flavor to make the ocarina playable like other instruments when you're not summoning would be nice.

Iocun

Stuff like the elixirs should be made unstackable with normal arties/icons/favours. If that were the case, I'd even support them being twice as powerful.

Blujixapug

Eld said:

How is the walk from your home city to Tasur'ke to Thraasi a balancing factor?

It costs time that most people are unwilling to expend on a daily basis.

I'm mainly concerned because one of the possible ship trading rewards is a Mayan Crown, so it struck me as a "spend Crowns to get more Crowns" thing. I know there's more to ship trading than that, but yeah.

Penwize

Blujixapug said:

Eld said:

How is the walk from your home city to Tasur'ke to Thraasi a balancing factor?

It costs time that most people are unwilling to expend on a daily basis.

I'm mainly concerned because one of the possible ship trading rewards is a Mayan Crown, so it struck me as a "spend Crowns to get more Crowns" thing. I know there's more to ship trading than that, but yeah.

Honestly, the ledger is useless and doesn't even really drop time required.  Most cities have someone who'll log the ship trades daily right at the serenade anyway, and most sailing clans do the same.  So the ledger really only saves you a few keystrokes, from READLOG CITY or READLOG CLANNAME, to READ LEDGER.  Even if somehow you weren't a member of any of those organizations that do log it, going to Thraasi and Tasur'ke is kind of a trivial trip, and even moreso if you have access to wormholes.  It takes less than a minute easily.  Not sure how that's a balancing factor in any way.

Honestly, getting the ledger is not "spend Crowns to get more Crowns."  It's "spend Crowns to waste Crowns" I'd think.  It has no real effect at all on trading, and doesn't tell you any more than a city or clan log would.

Delphinus

Balancing factors of trade deals are:

1. time, roughly an hour or so of combined sailing;
   
2. money, the initial investment of about 48k gold at the starting port; and
   
3. risk, in the form of pirates and sea monsters.
   

The ledger has almost no real effect, since the walk to Tasur'ke and Thraasi is trivial by comparison.

Triak

I'm glad I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

Anaidiana

Convenience aside, definitely disappointed, especially with the wait and even moreso with the costs. 5 crowns for the ledger is ridic. If, maybe, trades started/ended at clockwork and tapoa in addition to tasur'ke and thraasi, maaaaaaaaaaaaybe then it'd be worth it, and maybe that's what they're hoping we're banking on....that we buy it now in the hopes that it'll more than pay for itself when more trade hubs are added.

Rinzai

Anaidiana said:

Convenience aside, definitely disappointed, especially with the wait and even moreso with the costs. 5 crowns for the ledger is ridic. If, maybe, trades started/ended at clockwork and tapoa in addition to tasur'ke and thraasi, maaaaaaaaaaaaybe then it'd be worth it, and maybe that's what they're hoping we're banking on....that we buy it now in the hopes that it'll more than pay for itself when more trade hubs are added.

Boy I hope so, because currently it is not worth it. It's handled by to many clans, and is sadly a waste.

Borran

Daeir said:

Well, that was disappointing. Truefavor-in-a-can is about the most useful thing to be bought with crowns thus far, but I don't like that they're all apparently expendable. Maybe have them fill with one sip a week or something?

Wasn't there a vial that fills itself daily with whatever liquid was last in it? Empty a true-favour vial into one of those... and voila! 

Anaidiana

the obfusticated vial USED to refill whatever liquid was in it (we cooks loved it for milk because gathering milk is less-than-predictable), but the obfusticated vials were changed (sob!) to only refill of standard elixirs and tonics. I am unsure about venoms.

 

In hindsight, the obfusticated vials were likely changed because they were working on the TF vials and they didn't want people being all smart like you, @borran

Katzchen

Borran said:

Daeir said:

Well, that was disappointing. Truefavor-in-a-can is about the most useful thing to be bought with crowns thus far, but I don't like that they're all apparently expendable. Maybe have them fill with one sip a week or something?

Wasn't there a vial that fills itself daily with whatever liquid was last in it? Empty a true-favour vial into one of those... and voila! 

Only works for cures now I think.

Borran

Frowny face.

Katzchen

Surely the simpler answer would be to make it so you can't pour the SoW Elixers into anything else? Like you can't pour artefact vials into regular.

Anaidiana

that would be lovely. I want my milk vial back (which sounds vaguely dirty). :-/

Antonius

Obfuscated vials should work for venoms again now, though there was a period when they didn't. Of course if you don't already own one you're out of luck because they're no longer for sale.

Kyrra

Venoms are included because @Penwize is awesome and made it happen.

Jules

Shop of Wonders needs more... wonders.  

Trey

Still want my steel producing artie. Not that I have shit for time to forge anymore, but it'd be nice to pretend!

Antonius

@Trey: You could probably put resetting on a suit of fullplate and just smelt that for commodities once a day.

Iocun

Armour/weapon producing artie > steel producing artie.

Jonners

Penwize

Daeir said:

Do the vial buffs tick down while you're not logged in? As in, do they persist for played time only, or do they continually lose duration even while logged out?

They tick down while logged out.

Atalkez

Daeir said:

Ugh.

@Tecton: Any chance of changing the buff elixirs to respect online time and not tick down while offline? Would make them more valuable and actually worth buying for people who don't play the game in 12hr sittings.

Yes because there are more people who play in 1-2 hour sittings than that, certainly. If you have any kind of OOC life there will be periods of a day or two where your not even able to log on anyway. Makes this purchase very sketchy for the average player. Then again the average player probably doesn't have the MC to buy it anyway so it's a balance I guess?

Peak

@Antonius said:

Trey: You could probably put resetting on a suit of fullplate and just smelt that for commodities once a day.

:-O

Trevize

Peak said:

@Antonius said:

Trey: You could probably put resetting on a suit of fullplate and just smelt that for commodities once a day.

:-O

Or you could end up with some resetting steel.