Combat Logs

Aniari

all I seen was the bbt and everyone poofed!!!!

Aktillum

Sohl snaps his fingers in front of Zinka.

6802h 5984m 100%e 63%w 20kai ex cdbk 

Sohl snaps his fingers in front of Zinka.

6802h 5984m 100%e 63%w 20kai ex cdbk 

Sohl snaps his fingers in front of Zinka.

You know people have probably changed their triggers with thievery nerf, at this point it's just latency abuse.

Zeon

As much as I am against aeon snap in the present day, if someone is going to have outdated triggers you've got good odds they're from Cyrene.

Iocun

I don't get what this would have to do with outdated triggers. Triggering on snap isn't any less relevant than before pickpocketing.

The only issue with them is doing it when aeoned.

Sohl

Aktillum said: at this point it's just latency abuse.

I still snap because it lets my allies know the target is aeon'd.

Nemutaur

Aktillum said:

Sohl snaps his fingers in front of Zinka.

6802h 5984m 100%e 63%w 20kai ex cdbk 

Sohl snaps his fingers in front of Zinka.

6802h 5984m 100%e 63%w 20kai ex cdbk 

Sohl snaps his fingers in front of Zinka.

You know people have probably changed their triggers with thievery nerf, at this point it's just latency abuse.

I like the triple snap, it tells me the person got aeoned before he announces it on PT

Zeon

Having any triggers do anything in aeon on snap is outdated. It was always bad, but grows less acceptable as modern curing gets better (at least in my opinion). Cyrene's enormous population of old grizzled afkers/text pastry eaters leaves me to believe they probably have quite a few of those vadi nexus users still up and going, cause the auto sipper works just fine.

(This is of course my bias opinion as a complete outsider who rarely interacts with Cyrene)

Iocun

Such a negative way of saying "Cyrene has a deep, established culture and many tradition-minded citizens."

Aktillum

Nemutaur said:

Aktillum said:

Sohl snaps his fingers in front of Zinka.

6802h 5984m 100%e 63%w 20kai ex cdbk 

Sohl snaps his fingers in front of Zinka.

6802h 5984m 100%e 63%w 20kai ex cdbk 

Sohl snaps his fingers in front of Zinka.

You know people have probably changed their triggers with thievery nerf, at this point it's just latency abuse.

I like the triple snap, it tells me the person got aeoned before he announces it on PT

Wrong, that's just a feeble excuse. My aeon is triggered to announce on PT and it works fine. What you're actually doing is hoping that their latency gives you a .2 - .3 millisecond window after spamming them. You think it's coincidence that Tanris used it in conjunction with amnesia pet 1v1?

Might as well be using Tmotes as illusions.

Manifest

What do you expect, Aktillum? He's part of the modern-day Qashar, ffs.

Nemutaur

Aktillum said:

Wrong, that's just a feeble excuse. My aeon is triggered to announce on PT and it works fine. What you're actually doing is hoping that their latency gives you a .2 - .3 millisecond window after spamming them. You think it's coincidence that Tanris used it in conjunction with amnesia pet 1v1?

Might as well be using Tmotes as illusions.

How is spamming snap on them (if they don't trigger it to put gold back in pack etc) latency abuse? If anything it gives them more prompts which might help their system cure faster with AI checks on.

Aktillum

That's good theory, but what it actually does is force you to take in more lines resulting in delayed reaction on higher latency connections. You're basically guaranteeing that you out-latency them. It's similar to why you can't just trigger shield on a monk's kick to nerf their punches, their punches were chained with the kick and will most likely go through first.

Trust me dude, I worked for Verizon FiOS support.

Draqoom

I thought they had said not to do snaps on aeon anymore because it was an OOC thing hoping to throw off with anti-theft triggers? Similar to how you're not supposed to illusion party tells.


I know it was at least talked about before.

Sohl

Aktillum said:

That's good theory, but what it actually does is force you to take in more lines resulting in delayed reaction on higher latency connections. You're basically guaranteeing that you out-latency them. It's similar to why you can't just trigger shield on a monk's kick to nerf their punches, their punches were chained with the kick and will most likely go through first.

Trust me dude, I worked for Verizon FiOS support.

The balance on aeon tarot with nimble is ~3.25s. Any supposed latency added by snaps is irrelevant.

Nemutaur

Draqoom said:

I thought they had said not to do snaps on aeon anymore because it was an OOC thing hoping to throw off with anti-theft triggers? Similar to how you're not supposed to illusion party tells.


I know it was at least talked about before.

What I heard was that it was max 3 snaps allowed on an aeon after some Occie snapped 10 times after every aeon or something. So 3 snaps is allowed according to the last admin ruling.

Vaehl

^ Think it was 6, because devil proc'd aeon.

Aktillum

Yes, 1v1 with no other factors the added latency is completely irrelevant. Factor in an amnesia pet or the spam of group combat, and it's a wide enough window, however miniscule you might think, to capitalize with kalmia. Again, I urge you to trigger shielding on a monk's snapkick, and see how many times you successfully shield mid-combo.

You're basically being robbed of .3 milliseconds of curing time by an OOC mechanic.

Jaiko

Aktillum said:

That's good theory, but what it actually does is force you to take in more lines resulting in delayed reaction on higher latency connections. You're basically guaranteeing that you out-latency them. It's similar to why you can't just trigger shield on a monk's kick to nerf their punches, their punches were chained with the kick and will most likely go through first.

Trust me dude, I worked for Verizon FiOS support.

I haven't worked for Verizon FiOS support so I'd appreciate it if you could explain further. How does any number of lines after the aeon card effect the speed you respond to that original line? 

Aktillum

@Jaiko First, understand that the internet is a series of tubes. Lines from Achaea are "packets" going down your tubes. The added snaps are extra packets being stuffed into your tubes, it's basically like a DDoS attack mid-combat.

Cahin

Why not just snap once?

I clap 3 times after I do something to Tanris to grief his screenreader.

Iocun

Cahin said:

Why not just snap once?

I clap 3 times after I do something to Tanris to grief his screenreader.

You should mix the emotes up so it's harder to gag.

Sohl

That's a partially accurate, partially fallacious description of network congestion.

With TCP/IP protocol, data sent over the internet is broken into segments by a TCP module, and those segments are put into IP packets to be sent. It's a bit like putting a letter in an envelope and sending it through the mail. When the packet reaches its destination, a confirmation of that delivery is sent back to the original sender. If a confirmation is not received, the packet is sent again (which happens when packets are lossed, for example, which can occur because of network congestion). When this happens, the rate of transfer is automatically slowed down - TCP is designed to adjust for network congestion automatically - everyone connected gets the same allocation of bandwidth. So the limiting factor on speed is now the amount of data being sent, but how many people are using the network concurrently. Just like sending three letters at once doesn't mean your letters are going to get there any later, sending multiple packets at once doesn't slow down the rate at which they're received.

Edited for further clarity.

Aktillum

You're confusing fallacy with hyperbole, and while your description is more technically accurate, you're still ignoring the fact that time it takes CPU+latency to process the added snaps, equalling a delayed reaction in curing or sipping speed. You're losing .3 seconds to sip speed, and another .3 seconds to smoke elm if they have a superior ping.

Jaiko

I'm contemplating writing a detailed response, but can't help but wonder if I'm being trolled .

Iocun

Unless you're sending so many letters that the postmen can't keep up!

Iphis

If you lag enough on 1-3 lines of text to cause you any sort of noticeable lag, then you're either 

1) lying your ass off

2) playing on Dial-up

3) from aussieland.

Aktillum

Iphis said:

If you lag enough on 1-3 lines of text to cause you any sort of noticeable lag, then you're either 

1) lyingtrolling your ass off

2) playing on Dial-updsl wifi

3) from aussielanda tent in hawaii.

Ayoxele tells you, "Ddos attack mid combat."

Ayoxele tells you, "R u trolling its 0.3 ms >.>."

You tell Minion Ayoxele, Disciple of Ruth, ".3MS IS IMPORTANT TO PLAYERS IN RUSSIA."

Ayoxele tells you, "Lol."

You tell Minion Ayoxele, Disciple of Ruth, "In soviet russia, aeon snaps on you."

Ayoxele tells you, "D:."

Sohl

 Aktillum said:

You're confusing fallacy with hyperbole, and while your description is more technically accurate, you're still ignoring the fact that time it takes CPU+latency to process the added snaps, equalling a delayed reaction in curing or sipping speed. You're losing .3 seconds to sip speed, and another .3 seconds to smoke elm if they have a superior ping.

I edited my post to expound further on my point, but your hyperbole borders on the absurd. Unless you're trying to play Achaea on a gameboy (not color either, the original!), the added processor time of a couple extra lines is truly miniscule, like fractions of a millisecond. I've no idea where you're pulling .3s out of a couple extra lines from. If that was the case, everytime you squinted in a room with a long LoS, it would take you a couple of seconds before it showed on your monitor.

edit: lol I've been trolled I was just on Niks case for getting Iocun-trolled too :(

Jarrod

And now I'm terrified of squinting in Achaea

Aktillum

Sohl said:

  If that was the case, everytime you squinted in a room with a long LoS, it would take you a couple of seconds before it showed on your monitor.

welcome to my life