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Rangor

Atalkez said:

Rangor said:

Atalkez said:

Rangor said:

Weariness change put the affliction lock way over the top. 

The aff output isn't that big of a deal until you're doing 30% damage while triple afflicting.

Only does damage (significant) if you already have the aff. Better to electrify or shockwave then.

We only have enough ap for 3 overcharges in a row from max. So if you turtle through that and reset you should be fine. Kelp prio against 4x kelp aff isn't the best way to avoid the lock either.

What aff?

Also, lol, what should you prio? I got 3 kelp afflictions on the same balance, and 1 focus/goldenseal. I cured two kelp afflictions, and on the next balance I got both of them back+impatience. The class has all lock affs on demand, on top of affliction rates that outpace pretty much every other aff class. I don't see a limiting factor in what Sylvan can do at all. AP isn't limited in the slightest, obviously. It's simple to generate and keep your AP.

It's a bit tricky to get to the impatience part of the lock if you prio goldenseal when the affs are towering in. So by focusing goldenseal/focusing the dizzy/epilepsy, playing defensive we can't lock.

edit: What Sanna said.

Dochitha

You can cycle back and give the lock affs the next balance, literally putting them into total defensive. You can't lock them but they can never do anything offensive. all while damaging them. 7 affs delivering kelp stack and impatience 2s apart is wrong, cos it makes me wanna 4th-class Sylvan. 

Sanna

Dochitha said:

You can cycle back and give the lock affs the next balance, literally putting them into total defensive. You can't lock them but they can never do anything offensive. all while damaging them. 7 affs delivering kelp stack and impatience 2s apart is wrong, cos it makes me wanna 4th-class Sylvan. 

First of all it was only five different affs stuck in those balances, and burst afflictions are a part of quite a few classes. You have to realize that unlike bards, alchemists, or serpents, sylvans can't lock by just outpacing the opponents curing. 

Second of all... again.. none of those affs would matter if you took defensive measures or cured correctly. 

Hysteria over the abilities in isolation is useless. Look at how they lock and how to prevent it. It's really not that hard to make it almost impossible to be locked by a sylvan(yes sometimes RNG hates you). Shockwave on the other hand...

Rangor

Dochitha said:

You can cycle back and give the lock affs the next balance, literally putting them into total defensive. You can't lock them but they can never do anything offensive. all while damaging them. 7 affs delivering kelp stack and impatience 2s apart is wrong, cos it makes me wanna 4th-class Sylvan. 

Totally should come play Sylvan. *nudge*

Dochitha

Heh you can definitely lock by outpacing curing and Sylvan's do that extremely well. 

Unlike serpents bursting which has a respectful downtime that they can't keep bursting, and takes a while to stack kelp, it is not the case with Sylvans. 

Can deny the fact that 2s apart kelp is stacked, forcing a choice of kelp or goldenseal, whichever you choose the next balance they are back. 

Yes you still struggle with sticking asthma and impatience, if you stand on the other side it is insane 2s and after that halt offense and title forever. 

Aegoth

Classleads cannot come soon enough

Xinna

Not sure how AP is any different than humours. Different than hypnosis, sure.

Sylvan is strong but it does have limiting factors. Besides, bard more OP.

Sanna

Daeir said:

AP is (probably) a lot faster than humours.

It is by a factor of around three, but humours are a certain kill. 

Exelethril

Alchs can chase too and humours persist even when you tumble out of the room.

Idk, it's like comparing apples and oranges.

Aquil

Sylvan way too stupidly strong, tho. Cut down the damage by a third and keep the affliction speed and we're good to go. I don't even bother fighting Rangor, Troven, etc, it's not a fun matchup because even if I can cure smartly I'm just dead from damage.

Sanna

Aquil said:

Sylvan way too stupidly strong, tho. Cut down the damage by a third and keep the affliction speed and we're good to go. I don't even bother fighting Rangor, Troven, etc, it's not a fun matchup because even if I can cure smartly I'm just dead from damage.

I doubt anyone, including Rangor, would disagree with this suggestion.

Xinna

Aquil said:

Sylvan way too stupidly strong, tho. Cut down the damage by a third and keep the affliction speed and we're good to go. I don't even bother fighting Rangor, Troven, etc, it's not a fun matchup because even if I can cure smartly I'm just dead from damage.

Definitely. Don't disagree about the damage.

Aegoth

the aff potential is out of whack too. They're not supposed to be better than serpents at locking. Just saying

Kiet

They're not better than serpents at locking, though. Weariness change made them pretty good at locking, but they're much easier to stop and more linear than serpents in locking potential.

Sanna

Aegoth said:

the aff potential is out of whack too. They're not supposed to be better than serpents at locking. Just saying

I mean at some point they do have to kill people.

Aegoth

Sanna said:

Aegoth said:

the aff potential is out of whack too. They're not supposed to be better than serpents at locking. Just saying

I mean at some point they do have to kill people.

That's what heartseed is for

You can't have prep AND damage AND affs

Kiet

That's a valid argument, yeah. Sylvan can do everything, and do it well. But, so can bard! The difference is Bard sacrifices utility and ranged combat, whereas Sylvan doesn't. Sylvan has literally everything except infiltration.

Borran

Kiet said:

That's a valid argument, yeah. Sylvan can do everything, and do it well. But, so can bard! The difference is Bard sacrifices utility and ranged combat, whereas Sylvan doesn't. Sylvan has literally everything except infiltration.

They sacrifice their description. Therefore they give up RP for PVP. Fair trade.

Kafziel

Kiet said:

That's a valid argument, yeah. Sylvan can do everything, and do it well. But, so can bard! The difference is Bard sacrifices utility and ranged combat, whereas Sylvan doesn't. Sylvan has literally everything except infiltration.

I think I follow where you're going with this. Classleading greenwind next round

Xinna

Kiet said:

That's a valid argument, yeah. Sylvan can do everything, and do it well. But, so can bard! The difference is Bard sacrifices utility and ranged combat, whereas Sylvan doesn't. Sylvan has literally everything except infiltration.

I will accept this if sylvan is made non-factional.

Come back to me, Sylvan. Plz.

I guess sylvan also gets room hinder, which bard doesn't. And don't even try fighting them in a forest unless you want to deal with evade (Lolevate) too. Pwnvan.

Aegoth

Yea. If sylvan lost about 60% of its functionality, it'd be a balanced class

Amranu

Yeah, in the same way Magi losing holocaust would make it a balanced class.

Morthif

Sylvan fine nerf magi

Cooper

Aegoth said:

Sanna said:

Aegoth said:

the aff potential is out of whack too. They're not supposed to be better than serpents at locking. Just saying

I mean at some point they do have to kill people.

That's what heartseed is for

You can't have prep AND damage AND affs

AND active curing AND tankyness AND utility abilities

Sanna

Cooper said:

Aegoth said:

Sanna said:

Aegoth said:

the aff potential is out of whack too. They're not supposed to be better than serpents at locking. Just saying

I mean at some point they do have to kill people.

That's what heartseed is for

You can't have prep AND damage AND affs

AND active curing AND tankyness AND utility abilities

No more active curing. Aside from that, yes. I do feel like you people are trying to taking away Weatherweaving. I personally wish the skill would have made heartseed more dynamic instead of becoming the goto kill method, but oh well.

Kiet

Well weatherweaving is most of the reason Sylvan is broken, so that might be why you feel that way!

I do agree that it'd have been better if it  integrated into the already existing Sylvan stuff instead of giving them a billion options though.

Xinna

Don't need to delete Weatherweaving. Just delete Electrify and Shockwave. Fixed.

Sanna

Xinna said:

Don't need to delete Weatherweaving. Just delete Electrify and Shockwave. Fixed.

No disagreement here. Damage is boring.

Mizik

But at least they ALSO can't cure allies. Or hyper restore their endurance/willpower.

Or have mobile room hinder.

Or super fast prep with the best parry bypass in the game. Envenomable, sure. And loki, because no one else can.

Or have elm to mimic Slipperiness, overgrow to mimic trans Runelore (lmao why?), or blizzard to hide tanks allies/dbombers.

And they don't have built in tentacle tat, built in douse, built in waterwalking, super portals or resurrection or self resurrection, so their utility sucks compared to Druid only.

No built in arties like int sash and con belt - better do lv 2 because fuck you, that's why - armband of celerity and prismatic lyre for themselves or allies (fuck it why not), ring of endurance, circlet of the will.

And they're helpless vs phased/blackwinded/astralformed opponents, like every other class in the game.

And their uniquely overpowered insta kill doesn't bypass starburst for WHATEVER THE FUCK REASON.

And they don't have the highest Con in the game and near top damage resist or burst hyper regeneration, so their bashing sucks.

Or instantly full hp/mana/endurance/willpower hive. Hey, throw in some free lessons, because fuck it why not?

Mizik

Holy shit. That was supposed to be a troll post. Big ones in bold.

That class is insane.