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  • AegothAegoth
    Antonius said:

    Lol, "only" 24% with your basic prep attack.

    Lyr is mixing up staffstrike with staffcast. There's no way staffstrike does that much damage
  • AegothAegoth

    Lyr said:
    Well, I have a ring of the magus and had the spiritshield and trans constitution/electric resist, but not trans thermology or frost. And also the constitution thing from bliss. And it was 40%.
    Yea, I use cold-damage staffcast, usually. There's magic/fire/cold/electric
  • AntoniusAntonius
    Aegoth said:
    Antonius said:

    Lol, "only" 24% with your basic prep attack.

    Lyr is mixing up staffstrike with staffcast. There's no way staffstrike does that much damage

    Ok, yeah, that makes more sense.

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  • SenaSena
    Lyr said:
    Well, I have a ring of the magus and had the spiritshield and trans constitution/electric resist, but not trans thermology or frost. And also the constitution thing from bliss. And it was 40%.
    Ring of the Magus, constitution miniskill, and resistance from bliss (the constitution defence is nausea resistance) only apply to the magic damage type (dissolution staffcast, none of the staffstrikes), not magical damage in general.
  • LyrLyr
    edited October 2015
    Sorry, yes, staffcast! Sorry, muddled in my mind. So yes, with the spiritshield, ring resist, and 0% frost, it was 40%.

    Edit: yes, @Anedhel, spiritshield too!
  • AnedhelAnedhel
    edited October 2015
    No spiritshield?

    Edit: 'Spiritshield' is a hard word to type D:
  • AnedhelAnedhel
    3397h 4046m 34602e 27880w XX| K M  90% 20:21:06.616 B D C [PR]
    You gasp and clutch at your throat as an unseen force crushes the breath of life out of you.

    [WunderSys]: HOLDING BREATH
    As the force subsides, you struggle to shake the smirking visage of Jhui from your mind.
    329h 4046m 34602e 27880w XX| K M  90% 20:21:06.621 B D C [PR] (-3068h, 42.4%)(outr 4 bloodroot)

    I thought uh... we'd toned this down? In dragon, too :/
  • MithridatesMithridates
    that's only like 42%, stop being a crybaby. 

  • TharvisTharvis The Land of Beer and Chocolate!
    42% sounds about right for high int kaichoke + max collar
    Aurora says, "Tharvis, why are you always breaking things?!"
    Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh."
    Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."

  • EldEld
    Tharvis said:
    42% sounds about right for high int kaichoke + max collar
    Last time I looked at it at all (a few years ago), I figured you could get to 40% or maybe a little over with high (19ish) int and L3 collar against inept fitness, but certainly not much above. Even if he doesn't have any fitness for some reason, dragon has some natural asphyx resistance which should help some. I don't remember how the level 1 racial resistance compares to trans fitness though, nor whether that 40% estimate was including scimitar.

    @Anedhel, if you don't have any lessons in fitness, trans should drop that to 36-37%. 
  • RangorRangor
    Sensitivity? Thought it was tuned down to 36-38% on the high end. 
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  • MishgulMishgul Trondheim, Norway
    edited October 2015
    I tend to just ignore any numbers that involve Jhui because of the staff of nicator, which is difficult to test as to what effects it has since I have been told you can't get rid of it and lose its effects (by Dontarion who was testing with Penwize previously).

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  • AnedhelAnedhel
    edited October 2015
    Trans fitness, for the record!

    ETA: Also, not sensitive.
  • EldEld
    Daeir said:
    Dragons seem weak to asphyxiation damage, from what I've noticed. Weak in the sense that all their other innate resistances are so high, whereas asphyx is only level 1 in comparison.
    Yeah, but they have SOME resistance. 42% choke against trans fitness is pretty nuts, let alone whatever it would be in lesser.
  • LyrLyr
    Dead in two seconds! A-team is fun.
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  • AegothAegoth
    More reasons why enfeeble needs to be deleted
  • KhelKhel
    And while getting blown up is super frustrating, @Lyr, you also had ample time to evade/bound/leap/fly/dash/walk out - you attacked twice after getting enfeebled, and even once at like 30% hp. In a team fight, yellow health is super not mellow.
  • AegothAegoth
    Uhh, you do know that priests have multiple attack balances, right? smite/chasten/something. 3s is NOT ample time to do anything. But yes, enfeeble/truename is pretty much an instakill
  • KhelKhel
    Yeah, my bad @Lyr, misread Atalkez stabbing your legs as you stabbing his. Dunno why I thought you were BM, carry on. >_>
  • AtalkezAtalkez
    You were at 48% health when you got bal/eq/channel balance back. I hit you, you were at 37% with hamstring. Chances of walking out were slim, should have shielded. Would have stopped the arrows and the truename. Probably would have got raze/prone and died the next balance, but wouldn't have died in 2 seconds!




    Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
  • AlrenaAlrena
    Atalkez said:
    You were at 48% health when you got bal/eq/channel balance back. I hit you, you were at 37% with hamstring. Chances of walking out were slim, should have shielded. Would have stopped the arrows and the truename. Probably would have got raze/prone and died the next balance, but wouldn't have died in 2 seconds!
    Actually, if he shielded then Lala's choke would have gone through. I doubt it would have saved him! Enfeeble's really brutal in team fights!
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  • JarrodJarrod
    I think if your stance on how a fight could have changed stems from "Enfeeble is fine because you could have <blank>" everything else you could say becomes irrelevant.

    Enfeeble is an archaic skill designed for Monks to use in 1v1 to let them kill very tanky people. Looking at how many bandaids have been applied to the skill in the past should let you know how badly it screws up everything resembling balance in group fights.

    Impeach Enfeeble 2015.
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    Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."

  • MithridatesMithridates
    When does the nerf-train stop?  Ashtan's practiced a long time to get as good as they are, why punish them for it?  That's a really weird mindset to have.  Yeah, it sucks ass to get pwnd super-hard all the time, but that should just mean you have a lot of room to improve.  I qq'd last night because I got frustrated.  It's a game, if you aren't having fun because you're getting pwnd log off.  They aren't making you stay.  But I always forget that it's only OK for other people to play Achaea when YOU are having fun.  But I digress.  Getting upset at Ashtan for being good because of their hard work is like being mad at a dude with a Corvette because you have a 1994 Ford Focus. 

    Ashtan: 



    The rest: 



    The only way to get the Corvette is to work hard!


    (Guy with the Corvette is actually @Jhui)

  • JarrodJarrod
    There's a difference between coordination and Enfeeble.

    There's a lot more coordinated annoying things they can do, pretending Enfeeble is a precision or difficult to use skill is some kind of joke though.
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    Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."

  • LyrLyr
    edited October 2015
    What do I work harder at there? Trigger pt deliver when I get <30% HP?
  • MithridatesMithridates
    A quick hangedman/aeon with hellsight and dazzle would fuck up one person beyond belief for quite a while.  Should have coordinated that.  Targossas doesn't use it's awesome class abilities the way it should.  Ashtan does.  We need to LEARN how to fight instead of relying on bashing attacks or simple PK attacks.  If you're gonna beat someone that knows how to fight, you need to know how to fight as well.  

  • CooperCooper
    Yeah, there wasn't enough time in that log to get a hanged man and double aeon and hellsight and dazzle off on anyone in that log, and regardless, it wouldn't have done anything.

    Enfeeble has been broken for over 15 years, any arguing against that is wrong and it's not something you can argue about.

  • LyrLyr
    Atalkez said:
    You were at 48% health when you got bal/eq/channel balance back. I hit you, you were at 37% with hamstring. Chances of walking out were slim, should have shielded. Would have stopped the arrows and the truename. Probably would have got raze/prone and died the next balance, but wouldn't have died in 2 seconds!
    There were 0.5 seconds between when I got EQ+balance back and when I died. The arrow was before I got equilibrium back. This is also with me having my breath held, or I would have died 0.2 seconds sooner!
  • AtalkezAtalkez
    Point is when you saw yourself getting focused, you could have queue'd a shield touch and gone defensive. I know there wasn't much time, there never is. This game is a game of quarter seconds!

    In any event, that was you getting hit by 4 different people in a melee group. In Achaea combat it's pretty rare that any 1 person can take on 4 people and not die insanely fast by either getting locked or damaged out. Good coordination leads to quick eliminations of people. 

    Enfeeble is an issue completely of its' own.




    Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
  • AustereAustere Tennessee
    I am just happy everyone is focused on the enfeeble and not the deliver.  The obvious solution to enfeeble is a reflection.  Last I checked, it didn't even tell you that a reflection absorbed it!  Monk so weak.  Definitely need throw to not break locks anymore.  Crush area wide would also be nice.  Will trade those for enfeeble deletion
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