Combat Logs

Darroth

Monks should never tumble considering how many options they have with kaido and telepathy. Proficy should have prioritized arms, kai heal until both are healed, cripple till he's standing. Can stay on the ground all day if they're not bbting, unless the damage outweighs kai heal more than it used to. Anyway, jarrel's setup would have led to concussion if proficy defended it correctly. Depending on his curing, this could have thrown a wrench in his recovery.

Jarrel

Sometimes it is best to keep your mouth shut and look the fool rather than open it and prove it.

0s 

Swk + 2 punches/+2 breaks (curing time +8s of salve prone since he applied to arm first)

Proficy starts tumble (minimum 4 seconds with no broken limbs, 6 with 2)

2.5s 

AXK + 4 punches/+1 breaks (add +4s to curing time prone)

8.5s 

I regain balance after he tumbles out 

Follow and BBT

12s 

Proficy stands up/I regain balance

(take into account Proficy does not auto tumble, add approximately one second reaction time to start tumble which guarantees another bbt)

(take into account what the log does not show you, that I could hypothetically have comboed after his combo so his tumble is further delayed by being off balance)

Now, do you think Proficy, who let me point out, does not have much in way of defensive artefacts, leather armour, has no healing skills active while prone other than numb and sip and moss and regeneration can survive that much damage from a fully artied monk?

Vaehl

WHAT IF HE ILLUSIONED THE TUMBLE THEN YOU ARE WRONG. GONNA DEFEND MY V BROTHER ALL DAY.

Manifest

I agree with Valaine. 

@Valaine - Can you please post some of your combat logs so that we can learn a bit more?

Jarrel

Ok, hypothetically, you're saying, I m off balance from an axk, he illusioned a tumble but is going to sit there, not sipping or eating moss or applying salve, hoping that I've fallen for the trick while he knows he's going to be on the ground for 12 seconds regardless of if i fall for it and run out or not?

Now you're sounding almost as brutally ignorant as your 18 y/o friend who is posting his comments on his alt in all likelihood because we would laugh his main out of town if he bothered to post about anything remotely resembling combat.

Vaehl

No, he emoted it into an icewall.

Jarrel

With that I will once again fade into obscurity on forums since some people bring the worst out in me.

Dunn

Vaehl

Dunn said:

wut

Dunn

It's Manifest looking at your 18 year old friend.

Vaehl

what is he going to do with those hands

Cahin

I agree with everyone.  Artie monk is op and requires little thought.  Love artie monk.

Tagg

lmao, goddamn. I can't believe the effort put into pointing out how stupid new guy's arguments were.

also can't believe it was necessary

Sherazad

Vaehl said:

what is he going to do with those hands

Stand before the reindeer. Figure out where his hands are. 

Then CALL THE POLICE!

Mishgul

That reindeer has bear hands.

Mizik

Ironically, Prof's curing conundrum (initial arm before leg) was the one thing that would have saved his life in this situation, had he bothered to mend that arm.

Mishgul

Ferrumy

Cooper

Proficy is bad at curing and bad at fighting. He is an artied troll and relies entirely on single breaks + axk or people hitting his guarding.

My 4x bbt on Proficy was better than Jarrel's 4x axk.

P.s. way to steal Akia's kill combo Jarrel.

Sohl

That's not Akia's combo. He can't pull that off with his lv2 knuckles, need 3.

Mishgul

Thaumas

Cooper said:

Proficy is bad at curing and bad at fighting. He is an artied troll and relies entirely on single breaks + axk or people hitting his guarding.

My 4x bbt on Proficy was better than Jarrel's 4x axk.

P.s. way to steal Akia's kill combo Jarrel.

Your 4x bbt on Proficy. Lol. As if that could ever happen.

Cooper

I assure you that it did. There were multiple witnesses.

Mishgul

Not trying to poop on anyone's parade here, but I don't understand how it is considered skill to kill a novice.

Tvistor

At least someone here was smart enough not to hit guarding, am I right?

Garao

Think the point was that the 4 axk's was a result of Proficy's lame defence and not because of Jarrel's overwhelming op skill.

How easily summarised was that, fuck, you guys argued for scarily long.

Rean

Don't most good monks break with axekick if their target is set up appropriately? I know I did when I was Monk, but that was a few years ago. I'd hate to set up a fullbreak though, you must have a pretty good limbcounter Jarrel. I don't know how to make those, so anything more complicated than "4 hits breaks no matter what" (see: Dragon, Magi) and tracking more than just legs hurts my brain.

Daslin

716h, 1967m, 7030e, 8200w exk-

An arrow flies towards you, shot by Tanris.

It sails harmlessly past you.

lolwut?!

Dunn

Iocun

Rean said:

Don't most good monks break with axekick if their target is set up appropriately? I know I did when I was Monk, but that was a few years ago. I'd hate to set up a fullbreak though, you must have a pretty good limbcounter Jarrel. I don't know how to make those, so anything more complicated than "4 hits breaks no matter what" (see: Dragon, Magi) and tracking more than just legs hurts my brain.

Yeah. People say serpent PvP is hard to get into, but I find it much easier than playing a limb-breaking class, with all the things that might possibly mess with your count. (Hint, hint limb assessment ability classlead.)

(It's sad though when people can completely mess up their limb counting and still get kills on random single- and doublebreaks, just because of arties and stuff.)

Tvistor

I find limb breaking a lot easier. Things like rebounding, doublestabbing too early/too late and randomly changing AI (damn it, Micaelis) make it a nightmare for me to get anything done. I liked the (relative) simplicity of being able to work towards my finisher without a mistake resetting all my work.