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  • ErnamErnam
    @Aegoth I meant at the time.  It's the normal "Lets find a new way to prove to the world what a huge asshole Ernam/Shecks is" crowd.
  • CooperCooper

    Ernam, you've put me on ignore (after you posted that I was harassing you by bypassing snub/snub rules). Please do not post to, or about me, or you are breaking your own ignore.


  • DunnDunn
    edited May 2014

    I'm really thankful for the plethora of TL;DRs.


    @Strata most gas stations have the tall cans of Code Red, but now they have Baja Blast in those cans. It's fuckin delicious.



  • ErnamErnam

    This is what I'm talking about with the latency problem with server curing.

    During a fight with @Vicious

    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/65b64ed9

    There was a 785ms delay on applying restoration to my leg.  We fought twice, and it did this exact same thing both times.

  • ViciousVicious

    well as you can see, you had a third limb prepped so restoring wouldn't really have helped you there too much



  • ErnamErnam
    edited May 2014

    Nothing would have helped me there, as we all know quite well, it's uncounterable.  I was just hoping you'd die before you got to it.  (You survived Enfeeble + double torso broken BBT, twice...)

    The point of the log was the ridiculous delay from server-side curing (250ms * 3).  It completely breaks combat in many similar situations.

  • ViciousVicious

    Vivisect is counterable



  • DunnDunn

    I think we're actually talked about the counter in this thread.



  • AradorArador
    Yeah vivisect is a pretty simple thing to avoid. Just do a search, the topic has been discussed plenty of times.

  • ErnamErnam
    edited May 2014

    Pre-apply would have -helped-* and rebounding* would have helped a bit too, but I was not on top of my game that fight.

    But that is not the point at all.  Nothing you do against vivisect is going to matter when your system is waiting almost a full second to cure vital afflictions.


    *neither of these would have worked, for pre-apply he just breaks another limb, and for rebounding you just raze before you start the combo.  Kai cripple would have worked, but he correctly initiated it after a combo.

  • JovoloJovolo
    edited May 2014
    Lmao, dude. You wonder why people get pissed at you? "As we all know, it's uncounterable."

    No.

    >KaiChokes instead of restoring
    >Vivisect uncounterable
  • ErnamErnam
    edited May 2014

    I'll believe it when you post a log of you countering that exact setup, or explain it with more than "well, you might survive if you got lucky with rebounding, or he messes up his strategy, or if you get lucky and fool him with fake salve affs/illusions."  These are all wishy-washy answers, not counters.


    @Jovolo the kai choke was a slip-up, I should have battered, but it doesn't matter restoring at that point would just mean getting vivisected of the next DSL.  If you want to talk about combat theory with me, please do it like an adult, not like a school-yard brat in a cafeteria, pointing fingers and rallying his friends with jibes and insults.  I'm not always correct in my assumptions or logic, but being an egregious dick about it is totally unnecessary.

  • JovoloJovolo
    Give me a few hours if no one gets there first yeah? Just about to head out. Feel free to break it down in theory. Same effect
  • ViciousVicious
    edited May 2014
    -goes through rebounding.
    -as prep class, would've just reset own limbs off your aura

    Edit:Rave: Sawbones trait as infernal. Limb counter. Self limb counter. 

    You shouldn't attack poor unsuspecting Mhaldorians, some of us don't die that easily, also VIGOUR is the bane of monks. My anti-monk venom combo is <3<3<3 and I overshot your count on 2 limbs, my first left arm prep and after you bursted my first right leg prep.



  • AradorArador
    I can testify as a satisfied recipient of TLC. It was the best TLC I ever got!

    But seriously just do a damn search for Vivisect in here. It has been described in detail over and over.

  • CooperCooper

    5847h, 5927m, 25880e, 25794w cexkdb-0|0|0|0|3|0(-6m, 0.1%) 

    Lightning-quick, Vicious jabs your right leg with an ornate steel rapier.

    Your right leg is greatly damaged from the beating.

    Your insomnia has cleared up.

    Vicious viciously jabs an ornate steel rapier into your right leg.

    You feel incredibly tired, and fall asleep immediately.

    5219h, 5927m, 25880e, 25794w cexkdb-0|0|0|0|3|0

     --------------------------------------------------------------------- 

    |     AFFLICTED W/ MANGLEDRIGHTLEG | AFFLICTED W/ MANGLEDRIGHTLEG     |

     --------------------------------------------------------------------- 

    (wake up)(-628h, 10.7%) 

    You open your eyes and yawn mightily. (0.031s)

    5219h, 5927m, 25880e, 25812w cexkdb-0|0|0|0|3|0(apply restoration to legs|insomnia)

    You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your legs.

    5219h, 5927m, 25880e, 25812w cexkdb-0|0|0|0|3|0

    You clench your fists, grit your teeth, and banish all possibility of sleep.

    5219h, 5861m, 25880e, 25812w cexkdb-0|0|0|0|3|0(-66m, 1.0%) 

    Vicious viciously jabs an ornate steel rapier into your left arm.

    Your left arm is greatly damaged from the beating.

    You stumble as your left leg shrivels into a useless appendage.

    Vicious viciously jabs an ornate steel rapier into your left arm.

    You watch, in horror, as your right arm shrivels up and becomes useless.

    4707h, 5989m, 25880e, 25812w cexkdb-0|0|0|0|3|0

     ------------------------------------------------------------------- 

    |     AFFLICTED W/ MANGLEDLEFTARM | AFFLICTED W/ MANGLEDLEFTARM     |

     ------------------------------------------------------------------- 

    (sip vitality)(-512h, 8.8%, +128m, 2.0%) 

    You take a drink from a stygian vial.

    The tonic heals and soothes you.

    5847h, 5989m, 25880e, 25812w cexkdb-0|0|0|0|3|0(+1140h, 19.5%) 

    (svo): System paused.

    Energy wreathes itself about your body to heal your limbs.

    Your left arm is too damaged to cure in that manner.

    The bones in your left leg mend.

    The bones in your right arm mend.

    Your right leg is too damaged to cure in that manner. (0.634s) (0.634s)

    (p) 5847h, 5723m, 25880e, 25732w cxkdb-0|0|0|0|3|0(-266m, 4.1%) 

    Your right leg feels stronger and healthier.

    You may apply another salve or balm to yourself. (4.074s)

    (p) 5847h, 5717m, 25880e, 25748w cxkdb-0|0|0|0|3|0(-6m, 0.1%) 

    You bleed 40 health.

    (p) 5807h, 5717m, 25880e, 25748w cxkdb-0|0|0|0|3|0(-40h, 0.7%) 

    Lightning-quick, Vicious jabs your left arm with an ornate steel rapier.

    You stumble as your left leg shrivels into a useless appendage.

    Lightning-quick, Vicious jabs your left arm with an ornate steel rapier.

    You watch, in horror, as your right arm shrivels up and becomes useless.

    (p) 5179h, 5717m, 25880e, 25748w cxkdb-0|0|0|0|3|0(-628h, 10.7%) 

    You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your skin.

    The bones in your left leg mend.

    (p) 5471h, 5717m, 25880e, 25754w cxkdb-0|0|0|0|3|0(+292h, 5.0%) 

    You may drink another health or mana elixir or tonic.

    (p) 5471h, 5717m, 25880e, 25754w cxkdb-0|0|0|0|3|0

    Vicious viciously jabs an ornate steel rapier into your left arm.

    You stumble as your left leg shrivels into a useless appendage.

    Vicious viciously jabs an ornate steel rapier into your left arm.

    (p) 4843h, 5717m, 25880e, 25754w cxkdb-0|0|0|0|3|0(-628h, 10.7%) 

    You may apply another salve or balm to yourself.

    (p) 4843h, 5717m, 25880e, 25754w cxkdb-0|0|0|0|3|0

    You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your skin.

    The bones in your left leg mend.

    (p) 4843h, 5717m, 25880e, 25754w cxkdb-0|0|0|0|3|0

    You may apply another salve or balm to yourself.

    (p) 4843h, 5711m, 25880e, 25752w cxkdb-0|0|0|0|3|0(-6m, 0.1%) 

    You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your skin.

    The bones in your right leg mend.


  • ErnamErnam
    edited May 2014

    @Tirac That's a very generous offer, perhaps some other time.

    On another note, my limb counter system (SLC) that I've put 100+ hours of work into is getting better and better - and is free to all as always.  If I had been using it right (leaving the fight when prepped for Vicious' kill button), it would have saved me from dying to frenzy/vivisect, but correct use of limb prep warnings is on the player!

  • CahinCahin
    Yeah, what an awkward time to post for Ernam.


  • SobriquetSobriquet
    Ernam said:

    Nothing would have helped me there, as we all know quite well, it's uncounterable.  I was just hoping you'd die before you got to it.  (You survived Enfeeble + double torso broken BBT, twice...)

    The point of the log was the ridiculous delay from server-side curing (250ms * 3).  It completely breaks combat in many similar situations.


    You do realise a 250ms ping time is standard for me in the UK? anything under 250ms and I'm dancing in the street.


    (Party): Mezghar says, "Stop."
  • ShiroShiro
    Noob question - So what happens after you get eq back? Start applying restoration again or keep restoring or just cure normally?
  • CooperCooper

    At that point you apply restoration/reconstructive and use restore as necessary.


  • CahinCahin
    edited May 2014
    Shiro said:
    Noob question - So what happens after you get eq back? Start applying restoration again or keep restoring or just cure normally?

    Only apply restoration when you have EQ to restore to save you during the off salve balance period.


    Alternatively: Join Mhaldor


  • RangorRangor

    Frenzy for 1.6s dsls. Break leg with delph/delph, resto break both arms while they are pausing resto cures. Add in riftlock venoms.

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  • XerXer Langley

    Well, there are still options for the Infernal to take if people try that option to avoid a 3-limb vivisect. Of course, they are methods for counterplay should they be taken, and if the Infernal messes up, he completely loses any chance of a vivisect and puts himself at a slight disadvantage by the time eq comes back from restore. I imagine that most people wouldn't be able to react appropriately at present that use the standard 3-limb anti vivisect measures.

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  • AradorArador
    Every avoidance has a chance of exposing you to another option to kill. If the Infernal has prepped you considering this he may take advantage of that trick to hurt you in another way. That tactic again has a counter that in turn opens you to another tactic and so on and so on. Vivisect avoidance can get you rift locked out disembowled, dodging those can get you vivisected again in another way. You keep dodging till his setup is spent or he predicts your counter and uses it against you. It really is a beautiful class.

  • ErnamErnam

    It will actually be pretty damn easy to code this into my system, thanks to SLC. (slc.percentages table and/or slc.is_prepped() can both be used to enable/disable/swap curing methods and priorities based on your limb setup).

    This is the first time I've heard of this method, can't wait to implement and try it out.

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