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  • MakariosMakarios
    We'll see how it goes post icon nerf. If it does turn out to be an issue its an easy fix.
  • NemutaurNemutaur Germany
    edited December 2013
    I'm honestly just trying to figure out how to kill knights again once my icon gets nerfed. Before the nerf it was impossible to kill a good knight (well maybe a Paladin, they weren't as tanky) without forcing them to remove armour. And as you can see he survived anyway and that was with 17 strength.

    So yes, the icon shouldn't have been helping much if at all. It will still penetrate Algiz a little from what I've seen it do against Mir, Scales and Dragonarmour. This was purely a test to see if this strategy would actually work against knights and it didn't. So time to jiggle with the order of the breaks or figure something new out.

    EDIT: Oh follow up to that bbt was he tumbled out, I braziered him and he rewore armour while still prone. So nope, no kill there either.
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  • RangorRangor
    Nemutaur said:
    I'm honestly just trying to figure out how to kill knights again once my icon gets nerfed. Before the nerf it was impossible to kill a good knight (well maybe a Paladin, they weren't as tanky) without forcing them to remove armour. And as you can see he survived anyway and that was with 17 strength.

    So yes, the icon shouldn't have been helping much if at all. It will still penetrate Algiz a little from what I've seen it do against Mir, Scales and Dragonarmour. This was purely a test to see if this strategy would actually work against knights and it didn't. So time to jiggle with the order of the breaks or figure something new out.

    EDIT: Oh follow up to that bbt was he tumbled out, I braziered him and he rewore armour while still prone. So nope, no kill there either.
    You can use wwk to strip deafness now which does more damage. Then you can go for axk instead of bbt which should do more damage?
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  • JovoloJovolo
    edited December 2013
    Uses the axe prefarar to also break torso. WWK serves only as a method to strip deafness. The extra damage in tradeoff for no torso damage isn't worth it.

    The damage is still insane, though. There's nothing wrong with high level Monk. Lower and mid tier are boned.

    Oh, I get what you're saying. Yeah, it might do enough damage.
  • AntoniusAntonius
    edited December 2013
    What do you need a torso break for if you're using AXK instead of BBT? WWK into AXK likely would have been enough to take away that extra 509 health.

    Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files

  • ExelethrilExelethril
    Antonius said:
    What do you need a torso break for if you're using AXK instead of BBT? WWK into AXK likely would have been enough to take away that extra 509 health.
    No Algiz rune = no 509 health, I think.

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  • IakimenIakimen
    Jovolo said:
    Uses the axe prefarar to also break torso. WWK serves only as a method to strip deafness. The extra damage in tradeoff for no torso damage isn't worth it. The damage is still insane, though. There's nothing wrong with high level Monk. Lower and mid tier are boned. Oh, I get what you're saying. Yeah, it might do enough damage.
    To be fair, he didn't need to break an arm. Wwk/hkp/hfp should strip deafness with torso damage and leg break, with more damage than an axethrow combo.
  • NemutaurNemutaur Germany
    Yeah wwk to remove armour and an axk combo would have worked. But I wanted bbt since I know that isn't being nerfed and it's only a matter of time before axk either gets whacked with the nerf or is redesigned.
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  • CooperCooper
    Don't underestimate not breaking torso and getting two bbts and a choke to finish, or 1 bbt and an axk. Or sneaking in the torso break before your finish combo.

  • ExelethrilExelethril
    Cooper said:
    Don't underestimate not breaking torso and getting two bbts and a choke to finish, or 1 bbt and an axk. Or sneaking in the torso break before your finish combo.
    Hrm, I think Enfeeble/Axekick(with Diadem) would be the most damaging/reliable finisher than any of those listed, since it's possible to accomplish even if your opponent tumbles immediately on a double leg break.

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  • DunnDunn
    I remember when @Narcos killed Tirac with that before his tumble went through.

    Good times.


  • HasarHasar
    edited December 2013
    NVM.

    What's the point of stirring forum stuffz.

  • TerraTerra
    Hasar said:
    NVM.

    What's the point of stirring forum stuffz.

    ARENT YOU CUTE?!

    (ily)

  • JacenJacen
    1701h [35%], 1057m [28%], [99%e], [91%w] [M] 76% [68]kai cekb[par bld(176) dark]68-West
    Davio lets fly at you with a snap kick.
    He connects to the left leg!
    Davio balls up one fist and hammerfists you.
    He connects to the left leg!
    Your left leg is greatly damaged from the beating.
    Davio balls up one fist and hammerfists you.
    He connects to the left leg!
    146h [3%], 1057m [28%], [99%e], [91%w] [M] 76% [88]kai cekb[par bld(176) dark]88-(-1555h, 32.6%) 

    Oh no! Ashuran Ico... wait a second...
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  • JovoloJovolo
    What's your blunt protection?
  • NemutaurNemutaur Germany
    Jacen said:
    1701h [35%], 1057m [28%], [99%e], [91%w] [M] 76% [68]kai cekb[par bld(176) dark]68-West
    Davio lets fly at you with a snap kick.
    He connects to the left leg!
    Davio balls up one fist and hammerfists you.
    He connects to the left leg!
    Your left leg is greatly damaged from the beating.
    Davio balls up one fist and hammerfists you.
    He connects to the left leg!
    146h [3%], 1057m [28%], [99%e], [91%w] [M] 76% [88]kai cekb[par bld(176) dark]88-(-1555h, 32.6%) 

    Oh no! Ashuran Ico... wait a second...
    Were you wielding an SoA or not? Because monk armour does suck and I bet that guy owns some knuckles.
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  • CooperCooper
    He's a monk, so pretty much 0. Davio artied, etc.

  • JacenJacen
    22 blunt on the armor, was wielding SoA. Was just kind of pointing out that you don't need an icon to put out massive amounts of damage as a monk.
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  • PenwizePenwize
    Don't maul, magi staffcast and untargetted DSL hurt more than or about equal to that when artied?
  • KafzielKafziel
    edited December 2013
    Do they do more damage? No, sometimes (depends on resists), no.
    Are they longer balance? Yes, yes, depends.
    Do they also do half a limb's worth of limb damage? No, no, no.
  • SantarSantar
    The only thing comparable to Monk damage in a group fight is a Mage, and that's only while the target is standing up. Mage does good unconditional dps, though.

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  • JhuiJhui
    don't forget warp/hound silly
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  • SantarSantar
    yeah, mfing occultists, man.

    that should've just been assumed.

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  • ExelethrilExelethril
    Though, isn't Jacen relatively un-artied/low-levelled/low armour? I think that damage is sort of expected against someone with only 4860 max health(assuming 35% at 1701) and weak armour, since combos don't work off percentages.

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  • MishgulMishgul Trondheim, Norway
    Maybe next time you won't let the fat guy get to the helicopter a good minute before you!

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    This is particularly hilarious to me given the recent conversation Jurixe had with @Tirac :P
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  • CahinCahin
    Mishgul said:
    Maybe next time you won't let the fat guy get to the helicopter a good minute before you!
    Yeah, even the tank beat him to the helicopter (and subsequently mauled us to death).

  • RangorRangor
    A Dead Taric is a win for Eleusis.
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