Combat Logs

Santar

Rangor said:

Santar, please stop with the attempts to nerf sentinel. We rly like these bows man!

u still got reflex meteors bro.

edit:

and reflex shoot was always crazy good too if you get the RNG to roll for you. remember caelan noose trap + lupine bow with jaguar reflexes on? If he got a couple arrows to hit you in a row. gg. Imagine how bad it'd have been with 100% accuracy.

Rangor

reflexed lupine bow give med like flashbacks from handaxe stun, only people die faster with bow. Handaxe stun was real bad, because you needed to stunlock someone for like minutes before they died. With lvl 3 reflexed bow, people dropp in 10 seconds.

I still miss handaxe stun though, even if it was really bad.

Jovolo

Honestly they should bring axestun back.

Strata

Even if the accuracy thing gets straightened out, nothing is stopping that Mhaldor Lupine+Soulspear Botnet.

Dunn

Soul spear is a whole different issue. Taking a heart should destroy the body like spear does. I know some people have difficulties with decision making, but this will be a good exercise for you.

Mishgul

what do we need hearts for

x has slain x.

get body

evoke soulspear from corpse

Iocun

Soulspears should be stopped by the myrrh defence.

Dunn

I have no soul. Clearly op.

Mishgul

you have no heart either >( guess i'll have to just mak another soulspear

Simoln

You pull an arrow from your quiver and nock it to your bow.
You train your expert eye on Arditi and let fly an arrow with breathtaking precision.
Your arrow sails harmlessly past Arditi.
4720h (100%), 4350m (100%), 92%e, 72%w 45% cdbk|e [Arditi]  (17:45:04.444)-

You pull an arrow from your quiver and nock it to your bow.
You train your expert eye on Arditi and let fly an arrow with breathtaking precision.
Your arrow sails harmlessly past Arditi.
4720h (100%), 4350m (100%), 92%e, 72%w 45% cdbk|e [Arditi]  (17:45:08.104)-

You pull an arrow from your quiver and nock it to your bow.
You train your expert eye on Arditi and let fly an arrow with breathtaking precision.
Your arrow sails harmlessly past Arditi.
4720h (100%), 4350m (100%), 92%e, 72%w 45% cdbk|e [Arditi]  (17:45:11.633)-

You pull an arrow from your quiver and nock it to your bow.
You train your expert eye on Saibel and let fly an arrow with breathtaking precision.
Your arrow sails harmlessly past Saibel.
4720h (100%), 4350m (100%), 92%e, 70%w 45% cdbk|e [Saibel]  (17:46:25.320)-

You train your expert eye on Saibel and let fly an arrow with breathtaking precision.
Your arrow sails harmlessly past Saibel.
4720h (100%), 4350m (100%), 92%e, 70%w 45% cdbk|e [Saibel]  (17:46:28.292)-

You pull an arrow from your quiver and nock it to your bow.
You train your expert eye on Saibel and let fly an arrow with breathtaking precision.
Your arrow sails harmlessly past Saibel.
4720h (100%), 4350m (100%), 92%e, 70%w 45% cdbk|e [Saibel]  (17:46:31.336)-

You pull an arrow from your quiver and nock it to your bow.
You train your expert eye on Saibel and let fly an arrow with breathtaking precision.
Your arrow sails harmlessly past Saibel.
4720h (100%), 4350m (100%), 92%e, 70%w 45% cdbk|e [Saibel]  (17:46:34.548)-

You pull an arrow from your quiver and nock it to your bow.
You train your expert eye on Saibel and let fly an arrow with breathtaking precision.
Your arrow sails harmlessly past Saibel.
4720h (100%), 4350m (100%), 91%e, 69%w 45% cdbk|e [Saibel]  (17:46:37.901)-

You pull an arrow from your quiver and nock it to your bow.
You train your expert eye on Saibel and let fly an arrow with breathtaking precision.
Your arrow sails harmlessly past Saibel.
4720h (100%), 4350m (100%), 91%e, 69%w 45% cdbk|e [Saibel]  (17:46:41.382)-

You pull an arrow from your quiver and nock it to your bow.
You train your expert eye on Saibel and let fly an arrow with breathtaking precision.
Your arrow sails harmlessly past Saibel.
4720h (100%), 4350m (100%), 91%e, 68%w 45% cdbk|e [Saibel]  (17:46:46.932)-

You pull an arrow from your quiver and nock it to your bow.
You train your expert eye on Saibel and let fly an arrow with breathtaking precision.
Your arrow sails harmlessly past Saibel.
4720h (100%), 4350m (100%), 90%e, 68%w 45% cdbk|e [Saibel]  (17:46:49.914)-

@Tecton, what in godsyour name did you do to my bow's accuracy? Time-stamps copied for relevancy, this is in the middle of a fight on Nishnatoba. I didn't record the whole thing, but as the time-stamps show, it's just miss after miss after miss after miss.

Trans Subterfuge, level 1 bow, Marksman trait.

Tesha

Is an icewall up? No squint in the log. Are multiple icewalls up? Do you have clumsiness? Is that without aiming?

Vadimuses

You call upon your dark power, and instantly a black wind descends upon you. In seconds your body 

begins to dissipate, and you are one with the odious vapour.

(svo): System paused.

(p) (x) 671h|12%, 2581m|54%, 89w%, 99e%, (db)-  {14 Scarlatan}(-500m, 10.6%) 

You plummet head first to the surface with a sickening crunch.

You have been slain by misadventure.

That's why you drink your levitation every morning kids

Simoln

@Jarrod hits 19/20 over icewalls. I don't know if that's with aiming or not.

No, I wasn't using Aiming, I was spamming my macro. And I think it was a firewall in my scenario, though I didn't squint to see. Shouldn't matter, that number of misses is retarded.

Tesha

Does snipe line show miss if it hits a reflection? That might be your problem.

Cahin

We don't reflect Arditi.

Dunn

No, it doesn't. Re: ref

Jarrod

Accuracy is extremely terrible right now for me, since the change. Talking 50% accuracy while aiming with no walls. Will get more numbers later.

With Lupine.

Tesha

Did they have dodging/weaving on? Serpents are dodgy. 

Jarrod

Testing in adjacent rooms on battlements:

No Aim:

60 shots

47 hits

13 misses

21.7% miss rate


Aim:

60 shots

51 hits

9 misses

15% miss rate


This was considerably more hits than on Nishnatoba, which would indicate either unseen weather affecting accuracy, increased distance affecting accuracy, or the biggest slam of RNG in history.

Xer

I missed five shots in a row consistently with a Ranger's on Nishnatoba. 1/6 accuracy seems to be far gone in the opposite direction. Obviously will have to test more on Sapience, but Nish definitely seemed to have a lot more misses.

EDIT: Regarding distance, I also missed 3 shots in a row, hit one, then missed another 2 while flying directly above someone.

Santar

Yeah, I think Techie's still trying to get the formula right. 

I think the intended function is this:

Classed bow-wielders should always hit an unobstructed shot.

Walls should virtually disallow you from ever hitting a shot.

Non-classed bow wielders should have extremely mediocre accuracy.

Jacen

http://pastebin.com/JG4kqvRB

This is what I get for not updating svo

Simoln

I just parsed back further in my log (what I still had in my prompt, anyway). Out of 31 shots, 23 were misses. 74% miss rate.

Jarrod

Something like, Ranger's bow 70% accuracy, add 10% per bow level, 10% for being classes, subtract 50% for major obstruction (wall), add 20% for aiming.

Santar

Just tested with my lupine bow in Serpent form and marksman trait.

I hit 18/20.

That's much too low accuracy for Serpent. Serpents should never be missing normal snipe shots.

Now.. Dragonform, lupine bow, marksman trait:

11/20 hit. 

^That seems about right. I think that's around where the accuracy needs to be.

So maybe just buff the increase to accuracy that "wind" gives to boost back up classed-archer accuracy and call it good?

Nakari

I have never been more glad that grove lightning is a thing...

Sidonia

50% hit with a level 3 means level 1/2 aren't even worth considering apart from meteors.

Santar

Sidonia said:

50% hit with a level 3 means level 1/2 aren't even worth considering apart from meteors.

This is the way it always was before. The super-accuracy was a bug that's only been present for the last 6-9 months.

Every class shouldn't get access to perfect accuracy shooting. That's a class perk.

Jhui

ugh, I agree with Santar here.  Fuck me.

Bows for non-class based should generally miss.  The advantage comes when your teammates snipe curare or something to help you hit with those lower accuracy bows.

Although, to be fair, I'm not entirely sure if bows are affected by normal dodging mechanics, so who knows.

Sidonia

Santar said:

This is the way it always was before. The super-accuracy was a bug that's only been present for the last 6-9 months.

Every class shouldn't get access to perfect accuracy shooting. That's a class perk.

The main, intended function of an artefact only working 1 out of every 3 times seems like a total waste of credits. 50% for a level 1 would be okay imo, but for a lupine it seems too low.

edit: I agree that los needs a nerf, but I think those accuracy numbers are a bit low.