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Disappearing from Achaea for now. See you, space cowboy.
smileyface#8048 if you wanna chat.
Disappearing from Achaea for now. See you, space cowboy.
smileyface#8048 if you wanna chat.
man, we deserve crappy renown ;-;
Aegis, God of War says, "You are dismissed from My demense, Astarod. Go forth and fight well. Bleed fiercely, and climb the purpose you have sought to chase for."
I imagine I am not alone in only staying because I can earn them IG instead of spending money I don't have. It's a MAX of 20cr a day at current implementation. If it were what others' have asininely suggested, I'd see value in the counter-argument. It is not, and I do not.
RE: disincentivized hunting
Thank God. It's crazy good. If you like hunting, now your hunting zones are cleared less frequently. If you don't, now you can earn credits without having to do something you never liked.
I mean, with crit(1) and reserves(1), anything above the level of Azdun Catacombs is too much, and even there I have to play a bit cautiously; Underlords are a LOT of hit and run. Takes, eh, maybe 10~13 balances to kill one denizen. At 3s per gut, that's 30~39s to get 350-500gp. At 13.5k per credit, which is low, recall, that's near 15 minutes to earn one credit, assuming perfect order and no need to flee. 90ish hours of something I don't enjoy doing to buy reserves(1), a FIVE PERCENT increase in health/mana.
OR; foray once per day, spend half an hour if we've got some newbies who want to learn and RP the rest of my day away. A little over a month of minimal effort and boom. Five whole percent increase in health/mana. If I want to put in a little effort, which I often do not, I can cap renown a few times and bring that down to 2.5 weeks as the quickest possible means. If I throw in hunting on the side, 2 weeks-ish.
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Why 10bcr a day is overtuned is something I'd like to ask for clarification on. Why does hunting gold have to be the metric this is compared to? More specifically, why does it need to be compared? The gold is icing on the (cake|gravy)* to delicious experience to a large portion of the people who hunt. Or maybe they want essence, and the gold becomes the icing on that cake/gravy.
I would also second changes to PK adventure implementation, perhaps with some system in place to disallow trading to cap.
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*I know a guy.
- First and foremost, the time, effort, and actual attention required to snag a foray should reward appropriately as it currently does. There are some easier forays than others, and I and many others will forever mourn the loss of the Dragon Quest foray. However, nobody should nerf something that works well, or else it'll lead to less activity.
- That's my next point: Removing Easy/moderate rewarding renown does not mean that these people will turn their attention to other means of credits/hunting/etc. I think that the citizens who do nothing other than ask for renown via forays and harbours should be ousted from all cities and form some kind of boring ass clan for themselves. Changing the rewards on these types of instances will hurt us all equally, but may not have the desired effect- is my point.
- There are several renown adjustments that can be made, that I will detail below:
1. Killing Maim [hunting] should reward 750 renown, not 150. Reasoning: Not only is this a complicated fight and one that requires coordination similar to Yuthka or Jeramun, but it can also be defended by Ashtan's best fighters, which adds another layer of deterrent. Therefore the reward should respect that. The change from 80-150 renown was kind of a joke, considering that's not even a full credit increase, lol.
2. Exploration should be deleted or adjusted. The two current options should be changed to be quests that reward the amount of renown that is equivalent to the current listing. Additionally, any initial quest renown should be doubled during exploration, or delete the exploration theme entirely.
3. Complete a bounty [conflict] should have the bug fixed- if you complete a bounty in a TTD arena duel, it will give you TTD arena duel renown instead of the bounty renown.
4. Slay another adventurer outside the arena [conflict] should have additional adventures, like the deep-sea fishing (lbs) adventures. Not with increasing increments, but maybe 1-2 additional kills counting towards renown cap instead of just the one.
5. Be party to a tank disarming [conflict] should be elevated to 300 renown (to encourage people to defend). Likewise, Be party to a tank detonation [conflict] should be elevated to 500 renown. Like, just for instance, Complete a bounty [conflict] is more rewarding, and is easier (somewhat). For instance, Participate in a sanctioned raid [conflict] is more rewarding, and is easier (arguably).
6. Bribe dockworkers to pursue quarry [conflict] is kind of too low. It costs 30-45k to bribe someone off, and rewards half a credit. I'm sure that most of us won't be doing this for the exact adventure, but that's kind of stingy?
Thank you for your time. Please give these ideas some consideration.
Aegis, God of War says, "You are dismissed from My demense, Astarod. Go forth and fight well. Bleed fiercely, and climb the purpose you have sought to chase for."
When I was playing, I could go from sitting in Mhaldor to completing a foray and being back in Mhaldor in 6 minutes and earn 10 credits. In minutes of bashing I can make about one credit going full speed in a top area. And by the way, the foray generates more gold than the bashing does as well.
I realize that not everyone can do the Aran'kesh foray that quick but the scale will be about the same for most people.
Forays shouldn't be worth around 10x bashing speed.
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
Economy balance is important - if there are a couple things that have a disproportionate reward to the challenge and time required it devalues everything else.
In effect, forays generating 10 credits per completion was an indirect nerf to most other methods of generating credits. That wasn't an intended effect, but now that we've had time to feel the renown system out we have time to address issues the system created.
If anything, like others have suggested, many other renown things should be brought up, both hunting themed and not, to make people not feel like forays are such a neccessary staple to cap and get them participating in other aspects of the game like pvp or questing.
Should bashing gold also be brought up? Maybe. But whether it is brought up or not should nkt affect current or future foray rewards.
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
To be honest, I don't care about the game's economy. It's been a mess for years, and we're all still here. Making nearly everyone able to buy class skills and some artefacts in order to participate in PvP and higher-end PvE gives us more people to play with, and frankly, I'm super duper cool with that at the rate it's set right now, even if I don't necessarily love the implications of instances in Achaea. It bugged me some, early on, from an immersion perspective, but now it's a part of the game, and it's fine.
ETA: I know that Achaea's very often balanced around the whales, particularly in terms of PvP, but in this case, it definitely, absolutely should be balanced around the ordinary, unartied/lightly artied individual. The rich will get richer anyways, the story of Achaea is the story of old characters having unassailable advantages in wealth and reputation anyways, and nerfing things that level the playing field is a bad idea if you want to encourage people to participate in the game. All MMOs have to come to grips with this disparity eventually, and nearly every example I can think of that's successful and thriving has opted to bring new players in rather than make things harder for everyone just to make every single aspect of the game challenging for the whales.
Right now some artied forays generate more gold per minute and more experience than similar time spent bashing. They also reward 10/20 credits. Even without the credits it is better for me to loop forays with anthem partied partner than it is to bash alone.
That said, I can't say enough good things about renown, forays, and how the admin continue to improve this game!
(that is all)
(Brace yourself, my imagination ran wild with this)
I'm imagining a foray based on the stealthy infiltration of some keep/stronghold of some tomb raiders where a frontal assault will barrage the party with siege weapons (with the option to attempt to break down the doors). The guards will call other guards to assist them if alerted. However, clever interaction with various NPCs outside the stronghold would open up clues to find secret methods to gain access inside. Once one person's inside, they could sneak around and find a way to lower the gate or open up possible underground tunnels, sewer access, scaling the walls, sneaking in on the cart of some farmer delivering supplies, etc.
I think it should have a good amount (10?) of different 'access points' with 2 being available per instance (randomly generated). When inside, the infiltrator would have to avoid rooms of the guards. The guards would roam, but they would send a message to the adjacent rooms letting them know they're coming. Once the guards 'spot' the infiltrator, they would sound an alarm and call the other guards to chase.
I think class abilities and other mechanics could play a part- prisming into the infiltrator or brazier'ing them out when things go awry, casting portals, hiding/shrouding, pickpocketing keys/significant items from guards.
Then once the party makes it into the keep/ruin/stronghold, (maybe taking up disguises to blend in with the raiders? Or just fighting their way through.. maybe with traps that one can SEARCH for and DISARM?) there'd be a few randomized puzzles to get through the puzzle gates to get to an archive key. Taking the key would summon some super villain (that has massive damage reduction (or is invincible) if not in the presence of the relic). So the party would have to rush to unlock the relic and fight the villain. Then there would be a few different relics that each have a buff/added capability that would add another feature to the end fight. Each relic would change the boss fight- (eg. Enemies target relic holder, relic burns all players in room, relic holder is randomly stunned, relic holder is randomly blacked out, relic holder gains 'wellness' buff from spirituality bless ability, relic holder gains a mutation (per transmogrify) for the duration of the instance, etc)
The super villain could 'displace' everyone in the room, teleporting them to different locations around the keep. Maybe once the super villain appears, the tomb raiders swap teams to support the party? Or maybe they don't? I don't know...
Long story short, it'd be cool to have more variation in the Forays with more alternative interactions/solutions.
Think outside the box people.
Anyone level 80+ can do a foray, seamonster hunt, gaze saar-elan, fill the font, spar, etc. Even small people regularly cap renown. Yeah, a lot of times they're doing these activities -with- more experienced players, but I don't see the complaint with that.
Forays aren't a death sentence for lesserform people anymore.