I am far from a dairy expert, but I think the issue is pasteurization. Today we have no problem putting cream in hot liquids because it's already pasteurized. Dairy products in Achaea would not be pasteurized, since pasteurization didn't really become a thing until the 1800s. Unpasteurized cream would get real funky in ~200F liquid. And sure, theoretically you could pasteurize milk in Achaea, but realistically you wouldn't, unless you want to RP out your character inventing food safety guidelines.
Fizzy lemonade also wasn't a thing until the 1800s.
Sounds like ‘Murican propaganda. Everybody knows the original lemonade was Sierra Mist and it came out of an ancient oasis in the desert long before anybody knew how to make diluted juice from squeezing lemons.
I am far from a dairy expert, but I think the issue is pasteurization. Today we have no problem putting cream in hot liquids because it's already pasteurized. Dairy products in Achaea would not be pasteurized, since pasteurization didn't really become a thing until the 1800s. Unpasteurized cream would get real funky in ~200F liquid. And sure, theoretically you could pasteurize milk in Achaea, but realistically you wouldn't, unless you want to RP out your character inventing food safety guidelines.
That's not remotely true. Dairy protein is what curdles at high temperatures, ever tried melting cheese in a sauce that's too hot or accidentally letting milk or queso boil? It globs up and is nasty. Fresh raw cream is very low protein and very high butterfat. It would for sure make the top of the tea or coffee oily, but it wouldn't be funky or curdle at all. Fat-based liquid plus water-based liquid can make an emulsion, and higher temperatures make that happen more smoothly.
Also every single food and beverage in Achaea is left sitting out for days on end and yet is still piping hot and fresh. Apparently food spoilage is just not a thing.
I am far from a dairy expert, but I think the issue is pasteurization. Today we have no problem putting cream in hot liquids because it's already pasteurized. Dairy products in Achaea would not be pasteurized, since pasteurization didn't really become a thing until the 1800s. Unpasteurized cream would get real funky in ~200F liquid. And sure, theoretically you could pasteurize milk in Achaea, but realistically you wouldn't, unless you want to RP out your character inventing food safety guidelines.
If we went on when things actually happened, then there is a lot of stuff in Achaea we shouldn't have.
The medieval time period, where Achaea is said to be set went from (roughly) 500 AD to 1500 AD.
Fermentation wasn't discovered until 1855. Bourbon was 1789.(ish) The first known usage of toddy was 1786. Mithril isn't even a thing, but the word wasn't invented until 1937.
I get why people want some consistency.
We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.
This is not even close to true, beer is one of the oldest drinks known to us. With vague evidence dating back up to 10,000 years ago, and confirmed cases from a few thousands years ago. Distillation is more modern, but even then, dates back to 13th century.
But that aside, it really comes down to if the admin that build the world don't believe something fits into the technology/culture/whatever of the games setting, fantasy or historical (or both!) then thats just the way it is.
That'd be fine if they just admitted "that's how it works in Achaea," like how bras are totally out of place but Sarapis himself invented them or something like that.
It's when they say "we're just following standards" as a way to dodge any real responsibility that I have to roll my eyes, or when they defend it saying "medieval technology couldn't do that."
Maybe the cream was functionally pasteurized by a Mhaldorian magi to give it "strength" to later survive hot tea without curdling. We'll call it Mhaldorian cream tea.
The inconsistency has been a constant during my entire time in Achaea, since 2005. What's most disappointing here is the lack of communication. I reached out in several ways (resubmitting the sketch, issue, direct message to Nicola, and here) and, aside from hearing alleged things that may or may not have been said in the UUC clan, no one from the administration has ever replied to me directly (minus the "this does not work for me" type comments in the rejection letters). Whatever the reason for the breakdown in communication, this is poor customer service.
I just keep thinking back to all the conversations over the years about realism in Achaea, and everyone bringing up that this was a fantasy environment where pretty much anything is possible, as a point against realism.
Now here we are discussing what we can and can't put in our text-tea because it doesn't follow a certain realism based standard.
I don’t know why people want to put anything asides from water in their tea anyways.
Milk, sugar, and anything else is sacrilege.
(D.M.A.): Cooper says, "Kyrra is either the most innocent person in the world, or the girl who uses the most innuendo seemingly unintentionally but really on purpose."
Tea/coffee is, and was always, meant to be drunk without any enhancements. Just pour and brew. Bam. All this "let me add X to my tea/coffee!" is ludibrious, and people who advocate for it are just sad, hopeless people who probably think that pineapple belongs on pizza
My thought is, just because whomever the reviewer is doesn't like it, shouldn't mean the design is rejected. If it's written appropriately to the guidelines, hold your nose, and approve it.
Physics are pretty irrelevant, as it's a fantasy world and they get ignored on a lot more things than if tea and cream will mix or not.
That just means they need to re-evaluate their life choices. Admin can be wrong.
Banana on pizza is better than pineapple. Both at the same time is good, too.
Delicious.
The absolutely awful placement/coverage of toppings is somehow more offensive than the toppings themselves. If you want to be a freak and have fruit on your pizza at least don't fuck up doing so.
These people... these are our future serial killers. Pineapple.. pineapple and banana?! And wtf is up with the ratio on that pizza. It isn't even balanced placement, nor proper coverage.
I enjoy making jokes about how awful I think pineapple and pizza sauce taste together. But on the other hand, I am seriously struggling to not go on some tangent arguing the nuances of topping proportion and placement variation and their benefits and drawbacks.
conclusions:
A. I care too much about food.
B. Making pizzas for two years in high school was maybe a mistake. File did not get wiped.
This is the kind of thing that is just completely maddening.
#2 in HELP CRAFTING GUIDELINES is "2) Another common misuse of words is that vs which. That - defines a variable. Which - defines a constant. The ring that has blue pearls. (a ring that can be identified by blue pearls) The ring, which has blue pearls. (all rings have blue pearls, so this one does too)."
I issued: issue me I'm very confused by #2 in the revisions of the crafting guidelines and wonder if perhaps an error has been made. The punctuation makes me think perhaps something was copied and pasted wrong? I have quite a few grammar reference guides (I'm a comp teacher) and I have never heard of that and which being described in terms of variables and constants. In both American and British references, the only common language I see for 'that' and 'which' is that these relative pronouns are differentiated by whether they are part of restrictive or non-restrictive clauses. That describes a definitive feature of something and doesn't take a comma. "The ring that has blue pearls" would mean a ring where the blue pearls are an important and identifying feature of the ring. "The ring, which has blue pearls,.." takes commas because the relative clause is giving additional information about the ring. I understand that some aspects of grammar vary between American and British, and that some language used to describe grammar has inconsistencies, but 'that' versus 'which' is a very common topic for grammar instruction and I cannot find any reference anywhere to the variable vs. constant language. Defining anything about a piece of jewellery as a constant seems confusing. Not all rings have blue pearls, so should we never use 'which' in any description of a crafted item? I'm not trying to nit-pick, honestly. I know reviewing crafting is a thankless and terrible job. I'm an English teacher, I grade essays every day and I'm sure my students find some of my grading frustrating. But this is the second thing listed in the crafting guidelines and as a person with even a basic knowledge of grammar, I would find your explanation of 'that' versus 'which' in the scroll completely out of left field. Thanks for listening. The response I received: Message #2775 Sent by Lycon 2019/10/08/15:06 Greetings! In regards to issue #86411: Item #2 on the crafting guidelines is not a revision, it has been in place for over eight real life years! Please feel free to ISSUE ME (issue) if you have any further questions or concerns.
That is a COMPLETE non-response. Fine, it wasn't revised. It's still wrong. I checked Oxford, Fowler's, and Cambridge just to make sure some usage guide somewhere didn't use that 'variable' and 'constant' language, and nobody does.
We're expected to just roll with inconsistent and arbitrary rejection decisions, but the actual scroll that supposedly gives guidelines for crafting not only butchers the grammatical error it's supposed to explain, but also has completely screwed up punctuation. (Hi! This is how you capitalize and punctuate a complete sentence inside parentheses.) And the fact that they posted about a revised scroll, and then when I noticed a major error they didn't even bother to meaningfully check, just dismissed it because it wasn't part of what was revised, really pisses me off.
I get that y'all don't get paid enough for this. I'm a teacher, I promise I do. But the document you use to tell crafters how to craft should be correct. It's two sentences and would take five minutes to fix this entry.
That isn't inconsistent, the help file you quoted makes perfect sense and it feels like you're being intentionally obtuse about it.
Could somebody explain it then? It really doesn't make sense and I've got a solid grammar background. Using 'which' never means a constant in any way I've ever heard. "The ring, which has blue pearls, is pretty." According to the help scroll, that means that all rings have blue pearls? Wat?
just had a design rejected because it refers to ribbons as "tape" and therefore uses inappropriate materials. Guess what "tape" originally meant, before we invented sticky tape and ticker tape?
Anytus got back and said it's because red tape is a modern reference. A quick check would show that it's of the same vintage as rapiers, like bards use.
Anytus got back and said it's because red tape is a modern reference. A quick check would show that it's of the same vintage as rapiers, like bards use.
If the 15th/16th century is considered 'modern' then maybe, lol.
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Sounds like ‘Murican propaganda. Everybody knows the original lemonade was Sierra Mist and it came out of an ancient oasis in the desert long before anybody knew how to make diluted juice from squeezing lemons.
Also every single food and beverage in Achaea is left sitting out for days on end and yet is still piping hot and fresh. Apparently food spoilage is just not a thing.
The medieval time period, where Achaea is said to be set went from (roughly) 500 AD to 1500 AD.
Fermentation wasn't discovered until 1855.
Bourbon was 1789.(ish)
The first known usage of toddy was 1786.
Mithril isn't even a thing, but the word wasn't invented until 1937.
I get why people want some consistency.
We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.
But that aside, it really comes down to if the admin that build the world don't believe something fits into the technology/culture/whatever of the games setting, fantasy or historical (or both!) then thats just the way it is.
It's when they say "we're just following standards" as a way to dodge any real responsibility that I have to roll my eyes, or when they defend it saying "medieval technology couldn't do that."
Maybe the cream was functionally pasteurized by a Mhaldorian magi to give it "strength" to later survive hot tea without curdling. We'll call it Mhaldorian cream tea.
Milk, sugar, and anything else is sacrilege.
The soul of Ashmond says, "Always with the sniping."
(Clan): Ictinus says, "Stop it Jiraishin, you're making me like you."
Physics are pretty irrelevant, as it's a fantasy world and they get ignored on a lot more things than if tea and cream will mix or not.
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conclusions:
A. I care too much about food.
B. Making pizzas for two years in high school was maybe a mistake. File did not get wiped.
I issued:
issue me I'm very confused by #2 in the revisions of the crafting guidelines and wonder if perhaps an error has been made. The punctuation makes me think perhaps something was copied and pasted wrong? I have quite a few grammar reference guides (I'm a comp teacher) and I have never heard of that and which being described in terms of variables and constants. In both American and British references, the only common language I see for 'that' and 'which' is that these relative pronouns are differentiated by whether they are part of restrictive or non-restrictive clauses. That describes a definitive feature of something and doesn't take a comma. "The ring that has blue pearls" would mean a ring where the blue pearls are an important and identifying feature of the ring. "The ring, which has blue pearls,.." takes commas because the relative clause is giving additional information about the ring. I understand that some aspects of grammar vary between American and British, and that some language used to describe grammar has inconsistencies, but 'that' versus 'which' is a very common topic for grammar instruction and I cannot find any reference anywhere to the variable vs. constant language. Defining anything about a piece of jewellery as a constant seems confusing. Not all rings have blue pearls, so should we never use 'which' in any description of a crafted item? I'm not trying to nit-pick, honestly. I know reviewing crafting is a thankless and terrible job. I'm an English teacher, I grade essays every day and I'm sure my students find some of my grading frustrating. But this is the second thing listed in the crafting guidelines and as a person with even a basic knowledge of grammar, I would find your explanation of 'that' versus 'which' in the scroll completely out of left field. Thanks for listening.
The response I received: Message #2775 Sent by Lycon
2019/10/08/15:06 Greetings! In regards to issue #86411: Item #2 on the crafting guidelines is not a revision, it has been in place for over eight real life years! Please feel free to ISSUE ME (issue) if you have any further questions or concerns.
That is a COMPLETE non-response. Fine, it wasn't revised. It's still wrong. I checked Oxford, Fowler's, and Cambridge just to make sure some usage guide somewhere didn't use that 'variable' and 'constant' language, and nobody does.
We're expected to just roll with inconsistent and arbitrary rejection decisions, but the actual scroll that supposedly gives guidelines for crafting not only butchers the grammatical error it's supposed to explain, but also has completely screwed up punctuation. (Hi! This is how you capitalize and punctuate a complete sentence inside parentheses.) And the fact that they posted about a revised scroll, and then when I noticed a major error they didn't even bother to meaningfully check, just dismissed it because it wasn't part of what was revised, really pisses me off.
I get that y'all don't get paid enough for this. I'm a teacher, I promise I do. But the document you use to tell crafters how to craft should be correct. It's two sentences and would take five minutes to fix this entry.