Making alts in the same orgs

Illarion

@Skye is totally right (as usual).  Alts in the same org are an execrable cancer, and the admin should ban them hard. 

As a side note, because I haven't had coffee yet, it's worth pointing out that the instantly aggressive, drama-fuelled response entirely lacking in self-analysis from @Remilia is exactly the kind of response you would expect from the kind of person who has multiple characters in the same org.  It inevitably goes along with (and now I'm generalizing and extrapolating, not saying @Remilia does this because I only know her from her posts in this thread) with awful relationship RP, and love triangles, and personal feuds, and who-said-what-to-whoism.  In other words, all the infuriating crap that drives you out of a leadership position because you keep trying to get five minutes to work on actual roleplay or House admin, but instead you spend your whole time listening to a bunch of drivel that would embarrass a bunch of seven year olds in a playground.

Antonius

Kogan said:

Remilia said:

Ryzeth said:
Ignore the shit-talking troll. Generally the ones who retire from other games, are gonna say things they took advantage of were good mechanics, when in actuality they're awful.

*insert shitty gif that implies I won a text argument*

Let's see if you can provide a valid argument as to why spamming paralysis on every attack is a fun or interesting game mechanic, instead of just accusing everyone you disagree with of being a troll

I just want to know why you're doing paralysis on every balance as a runewarden. Do you never get ahead of herb balance? If not that may be step one to fixing using paralysis on every balance that will make stacking afflictions more intriguing for you.

Edit: We're way off topic and pretty much hijacked this thread. So I'm done. You guys have fun.

Remilia said:

Kogan said:
I just want to know why you're doing paralysis on every balance as a runewarden. Do you never get ahead of herb balance? If not that may be step one to fixing using paralysis on every balance that will make stacking afflictions more intriguing for you.

People prio paralysis first unless they don't actually like hitting back, so obviously they're going to cure it first. Which means you have to reapply it every time they cure it. Which is just about every attack. Sometimes you get past herb balance if you're tracking affs properly, sure, but you're still guaranteed to get past it even if you're just spamming para. No big deal.

The fastest possible attack speed as a Runewarden is still slower than herb balance, so they'll always eat at least one herb per attack, and occasionally herb balance will line up so that they get to eat twice in between your attacks. The only time you don't need to re-apply paralysis is if they're eating something other than bloodroot/magnesium.

Unfortunately, you haven't provided an alternative to the current state of things. That choice between attacking back or curing afflictions that will actually result in you dying is the foundation of most affliction classes in Achaea. If you take away the extremely limiting nature of paralysis, you're either stuck with a load of classes being impotent or you need to make a huge number of other changes at the same time.

Skye

Aktillum said:

I agree with @Skye, let me just play devil's advocate.

>Characters who get shrubbed are more likely for doing more traceable things like sharing items/stalking/harrassment etc.

Key word there is "traceable things" - if admins already have a hard time policing the more difficult things to trace, banning same-org alts entirely would just inspire the dedicated multiplayers to be more untraceable through more technical methods. And while outright banning of same-org alts would lessen the amount of alt policing the admins need to do, it'd take considerably more effort to focus on tracking down those few who would find ways around it.

Furthermore, lets assume that the admins assume everyone who has an alt is following the rules, and that alts are good for business because it means people will spend money on multiple characters. Banning same-org alts would effect business. Its our guess just how much, whether it'd be a really negligible amount or if there's actually a handful of people dropping serious cash on same-org alts, only IRE would know for sure. I'm sure we could all think of a few well-known people who have multiple chars in the same city and each of their chars are piled in arties.

So basically, the argument against banning same-org alts in theory would boil down to A: increased headache in trying to stop the really dedicated multiplayers, and B: potential loss of revenue.

 1) In my honest and very frank opinion, if you're going to go all out of your way with VPNs, proxies and multiple clients to play a text game in the same org, you're probably already a psycho and probably deserve to get banned with prejudice if caught >_>  If you do not get caught, then you're probably not doing anything troublesome enough to warrant punishment anyway. The insane ones tend to out themselves sooner rather than later. 

2) This question is tricky. At this point in time, we have artefacts for changing your race, your race specialisation, your traits... we even have arties for concealing your divorce lines but not (to my grief) your bloodline. We also now have the option of multiclassing on the same character at an increased lesson cost. If we are talking about revenue, would it generate more or less revenue to force players to utilise multiclass? After all, a multi-classing character would still buy relevant artefacts, weapons, armour and so forth. I'm hazarding a guess that the only real revenue being missed out on here is duplicate artefacts where a player becomes compelled to buy an SoA on each character (for example). We are also not barring players from creating alts in other cities, which means if they really just want to make a new character to try a class, they can do so in another city. Who knows, perhaps they might even come to like the new city more than their current one. 

Remilia

Antonius said:

Unfortunately, you haven't provided an alternative to the current state of things. That choice between attacking back or curing afflictions that will actually result in you dying is the foundation of most affliction classes in Achaea. If you take away the extremely limiting nature of paralysis, you're either stuck with a load of classes being impotent or you need to make a huge number of other changes at the same time.

Attacks that currently give paralysis will instead give an affliction that lasts for six seconds. This affliction prevents the usage of the tree tattoo, moving out of the room, and so on, but will not stop people from attacking back. If this affliction is not cured in six seconds, it will evolve into full paralysis, preventing any actions from being taken until it is cured.

If your offense would be rendered completely useless by this very simple change that every other game has already done with resounding success, then maybe you need to look at your own offense and see what's wrong with it.

Illarion said:

@Skye is totally right (as usual).  Alts in the same org are an execrable cancer, and the admin should ban them hard. 

As a side note, because I haven't had coffee yet, it's worth pointing out that the instantly aggressive, drama-fuelled response entirely lacking in self-analysis from @Remilia is exactly the kind of response you would expect from the kind of person who has multiple characters in the same org.

I don't have any alts in the same orgs as each other. Good luck on your witch-hunt, though. I just terribly despise people who shit on the way other people try to have fun, and stir up drama where none exists because they don't like thing and sure as hell want to make everyone know they don't like thing.

If you don't like the fact that people like to responsibly roleplay their alts as part of the same organization, then the problem is not them, but you, and your toxic, authoritarian attempts at staying in control of the metagame.

Fortunately, there will never be a ban on alts being in the same organization, so you're just going to have to learn to deal.

P.S. Remilia would secretly love it if people in her org started acting like children and drama queens. There would be so many executions.
P.P.S. Maybe your character should start executing drama queens?

Aegoth

what the fuck. Who would ever tease me with a fake magi cata army? You guys suck

Illarion

Remilia said:

I don't have any alts in the same orgs as each other. Good luck on your witch-hunt, though. I just terribly despise people who shit on the way other people try to have fun, and stir up drama where none exists because they don't like thing and sure as hell want to make everyone know they don't like thing.

If you don't like the fact that people like to responsibly roleplay their alts as part of the same organization, then the problem is not them, but you, and your toxic, authoritarian attempts at staying in control of the metagame.

Fortunately, there will never be a ban on alts being in the same organization, so you're just going to have to learn to deal.

P.S. Remilia would secretly love it if people in her org started acting like children and drama queens. There would be so many executions.
P.P.S. Maybe your character should start executing drama queens?

All joking aside, I full on love this post.  It's so crazy.  Yeeeees, you really do post like someone who hates the drama...

I mean there's a lot to get into, but just one thing - you actually responded to @Skye's question "Why would anyone have alts in the same org" with a post that began "Because I want to".  I don't know if you do, or you don't, but you can at least see why I assumed that you did given that response?  Hmm?  Not sure that quite qualifies as a witch-hunt.

But you just carry on with your caffeine-fuelled rage-thing.  I'm at work, I need the distraction.

 

Ryzeth

             

Minifie

Aegoth said:

what the fuck. Who would ever tease me with a fake magi cata army? You guys suck

I'm totally grabbing magi and making it full inept, just to taunt Aegoth.

Remilia

Illarion said:
All joking aside, I full on love this post.  It's so crazy.  Yeeeees, you really do post like someone who hates the drama...

I mean there's a lot to get into, but just one thing - you actually responded to @Skye's question "Why would anyone have alts in the same org" with a post that began "Because I want to".  I don't know if you do, or you don't, but you can at least see why I assumed that you did given that response?  Hmm?  Not sure that quite qualifies as a witch-hunt.

But you just carry on with your caffeine-fuelled rage-thing.  I'm at work, I need the distraction.

The only way to fight absurdity is with absurdity.

Kenway

ARE WE HAVING FUN YET

Aegoth

gross that chip flavour is shit. sour cream and onion pls

Ahmet

Para like that would be nice if Achaean combat werent entirely balanced around the idea of paralysis being spammable every 2 seconds, with no other form of applicable hinder for some classes.

Durian

Whoa whoa whoa, shit on eachother, but not Salt & Vinegar chips @Aegoth

There has to be a line in the sand somewhere. S&V Chips are the truth.

Sarathai

Aegoth said:

gross that chip flavour is shit.

But it so perfectly encapsulates you!

Skye

Aegoth said:

gross that chip flavour is shit. sour cream and onion pls

But it goes so well with tuna sammiches

Durian

@Skye gets me.

Ryzeth

The only thing that goes well with tuna, is the garbage can.

Caelan

Damn you all.  Now I have to try the Salt And Vinegar Tunafish sammich and the unrelenting heartburn (and vinegar, salt, and onion induced dragonbreath) that will accompany it.  

Mathilda

Ryzeth said:

The only thing that goes well with tuna, is the garbage can.

u fkn wot m8. fite me bruh

Remilia

Ahmet said:

Para like that would be nice if Achaean combat werent entirely balanced around the idea of paralysis being spammable every 2 seconds, with no other form of applicable hinder for some classes.

This is not fun for anyone.

Torinn

The thing I run across most often is one or two specific people that are constantly making alts in the same org, pretending to be new guys, taking up all my damn time because I treat them like newbies and give them herbs and salves and talk to them for hours, only to have them proof once I figure out who their main is. It's cancer and it's doubly bad because then I don't want to help out ANYBODY, true novice or not because in the back of my head all I can think is "oh is this an alt? I have other shit I wanna do, do I really wanna spend lots of time to have this one poof too while their main doesn't do shit?!?!". Time I could be spending writing stuff or fighting bad buys or going hunting. But no. Instead I'm sitting in city talking to yet another alt of person X that is pretending to be a novice and will poof as soon as I figure it out.

It's terrible. 

Aereidhna

I dig the idea of temp alting to get an idea of what things are like from the leadership perspective. That does make sense to me. But generally speaking I agree with Skye. I've known a few people to do this in the Virtuosi and I never really understood it, personally. It's weird enough playing with people you used to play with on old main characters, let alone playing multiple characters at once with the same people. In the Virtuosi you can do totally different reqs, etc. so that argument doesn't really apply - you could feasibly have a totally different experience - but it is a relatively small and close-knit House so it just strikes me as weird.

Krypton

Speaking of incessant repeat alts....

WTF was up with that one person making alts over and over, in multiple cities, renaming them "Swdsfsf," then suiciding

Klendathu

Krypton said:

Speaking of incessant repeat alts....

WTF was up with that one person making alts over and over, in multiple cities, renaming them "Swdsfsf," then suiciding

My guess it it's Achaea itself freeing up the names so they can be reused.

Nazihk

Skye said:

Aegoth said:

gross that chip flavour is shit. sour cream and onion pls

But it goes so well with tuna sammiches

Lies.

Regular potato chips are the best chips to have with tuna sandwiches. Specifically, the Lay's Classic in the yellow bag. 

Cooper

Klendathu said:

Krypton said:

Speaking of incessant repeat alts....

WTF was up with that one person making alts over and over, in multiple cities, renaming them "Swdsfsf," then suiciding

My guess it it's Achaea itself freeing up the names so they can be reused.

Nope. It was someone abusing the wheel and transferring stuff to other characters. I watched it happen for like 5 hours one night. 

They would level to 20 to get bound credits, use them to spin the wheel, bet on roulette in New Thera, then drop a pack with stuff in it in random locations, then go to the bank in Ashtan, change their name, and finally suicide to start over. 

Jozlyn

Nazihk said:

Skye said:

Aegoth said:

gross that chip flavour is shit. sour cream and onion pls

But it goes so well with tuna sammiches

Lies.

Regular potato chips are the best chips to have with tuna sandwiches. Specifically, the Lay's Classic in the yellow bag. 

Let me see... So alts are the salt and vinegar chips of Achaea (the tuna sandwich) and Nazihk prefers the Lays Originals with his sandwich. But... Nazihk, what if  the originals are old and stale and have been kept atop a dog crate for ten years and now taste of mouldy dog farts? Would you accept the salt and vinegar then? As an acceptable alternative? 

Aereidhna

How do people even do that and not get caught? When I was a kid I think I tried to mail something to myself or dropped a pack in a grove and went to pick it up on another character and immediately got warned for it. It scared the living crap out of me and I haven't ever abused seconds since.

Nazihk

Jozlyn said:

Nazihk said:

Skye said:

Aegoth said:

gross that chip flavour is shit. sour cream and onion pls

But it goes so well with tuna sammiches

Lies.

Regular potato chips are the best chips to have with tuna sandwiches. Specifically, the Lay's Classic in the yellow bag. 

Let me see... So alts are the salt and vinegar chips of Achaea (the tuna sandwich) and Nazihk prefers the Lays Originals with his sandwich. But... Nazihk, what if  the originals are old and stale and have been kept atop a dog crate for ten years and now taste of mouldy dog farts? Would you accept the salt and vinegar then? As an acceptable alternative? 

No. Salt and Vinegar chips are always terrible. In your scenario, the proper course of action is just to skip the chips.

Haloshire

Well, I'm actually going to go out on a limb and say it's because you want to play a different story in a similar environment. That said, it's very very difficult for a player, even an experienced one, to keep two very distinct headspaces for the same cast of characters on a regular basis. I've been roleplaying for over two decades and it's still not something that I can honestly say I am capable of at all times.

This is further complicated by one needing to not be playing a personal avatar but actual characters with their own stories, goals, needs, and personalities. If I were to roll another character, it probably would be in the same city within Achaea because I find the OOC culture to it condusive to my styles of roleplay and story without people trying to shame/force me into what they consider fun and systems of the game that I frankly find no particular need or desire to get myself embroiled in.

The points listed against doing so are very good ones for standard players looking to engage with said systems (PK, politics, etc) and for those that aren't looking to engage the game on a nearly purely story-driven RP level. If one is looking for any substantial mechanical interaction, it can cause a massive array of issues and the decision to play multiple characters does force one to interact with those systems on only one character if one is coloring in the lines.

There are other issues around story as well, based on what mood/feel one wants to run around with or if one gives the character gimmicks that are sometimes a bit more taxing to play. So my weigh in is on that end.

TL/DR: To tell/play a different story. If you're going to play in the lines, you have to engage certain mechanics on one character.