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I've killed @Farrah, @Krizal, @Omor, and @Karren in dragon of all classes, and I've done it in alchemist as well. I'm inclined to agree that there's nothing too OP about it as long as you know how it works and turtle appropriately, as is usually the case with most mo classes. @Karren has ripped through @Driden as DWC vs. DW. @Calira goes through them no-contest. as Occultist.4
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Mizik said:Omor said:If you know how to defend against DW, there is nothing OP about them in 1v1.Armali said:I've killed @Farrah, @Krizal, @Omor, and @Karren in dragon of all classes, and I've done it in alchemist as well. I'm inclined to agree that there's nothing too OP about it as long as you know how it works and turtle appropriately, as is usually the case with most mo classes. @Karren has ripped through @Driden as DWC vs. DW. @Calira goes through them no-contest. as Occultist.Omor Ceberek - Targossas
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Bann said:@Sobriquet I feel like you're making things more complicated than they have to be. I have -plenty- of time to sit and study and code all the things...but I don't. I've had tri-trans Shaman for like a week now, and all I have is a couple of aliases for team fighting. Usually on the side, though, I'll have Sublime open and I might script in a function once every day or two. I have like 3-4 for Shaman right now, except I haven't taken the time to weave them into an offense. I like to take my time on things like that. Rather bash some, too. Or roleplay. I l do like to roleplay. Takes me maybe 10 minutes to type one out if I'm trying to make it fit into someone else's code, bit less if it's something me-specific.
@Exelethril is right, though. 2h is probably more training-wheels than Depthswalker is. I mean look at @Driden. He went from not being able to kill me while I bashed as a Serpent to being able to compete with the likes of @Farrah. That's some serious fucking training wheels. 2h Runie is worse than that, in terms of going from being bad to being competitive. Though in comment to Exe, if you hit parry as a 2h you're doing something very, very wrong
For those who don't know, Sublime is a text editor program. Pretty sweet. I use it for coding and stuff like that. Have it set up in pretty halloween colours too, so it's like a black background with some orange text and some green text and commented out stuff is this pretty purple.1 -
Bann said:@Sobriquet I feel like you're making things more complicated than they have to be. I have -plenty- of time to sit and study and code all the things...but I don't. I've had tri-trans Shaman for like a week now, and all I have is a couple of aliases for team fighting. Usually on the side, though, I'll have Sublime open and I might script in a function once every day or two. I have like 3-4 for Shaman right now, except I haven't taken the time to weave them into an offense. I like to take my time on things like that. Rather bash some, too. Or roleplay. I l do like to roleplay. Takes me maybe 10 minutes to type one out if I'm trying to make it fit into someone else's code, bit less if it's something me-specific.
@Exelethril is right, though. 2h is probably more training-wheels than Depthswalker is. I mean look at @Driden. He went from not being able to kill me while I bashed as a Serpent to being able to compete with the likes of @Farrah. That's some serious fucking training wheels. 2h Runie is worse than that, in terms of going from being bad to being competitive. Though in comment to Exe, if you hit parry as a 2h you're doing something very, very wrong
For those who don't know, Sublime is a text editor program. Pretty sweet. I use it for coding and stuff like that. Have it set up in pretty halloween colours too, so it's like a black background with some orange text and some green text and commented out stuff is this pretty purple.Cooper said:This is one of the worst forms of special snowflake RP I've ever seen. Thanks for going to another city to do it!0 -
Driden said:Farrah said:Not to put Driden down or anything, but I'm not sure how you define being able to compete with me. He killed me once when I was in monk (and I'm a newbie monk) then refused to finish another fight with me when I started playing defensive, which monk has to do.
If you're going to talk about DW's omg OPness, that's not a good example!
Like I said, wasn't an attack on you. Just a response to Bann's remark! You didn't sound like you wanted to duel after the egg hunt based on your tells.
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Armali said:I've killed @Farrah, @Krizal, @Omor, and @Karren in dragon of all classes, and I've done it in alchemist as well. I'm inclined to agree that there's nothing too OP about it as long as you know how it works and turtle appropriately, as is usually the case with most mo classes. @Karren has ripped through @Driden as DWC vs. DW. @Calira goes through them no-contest. as Occultist.
Judging a class based on one of the first fights after release also isn't a very good indicator, to be fair. I had a lot to setup still (like Heila) and won after I did. Though, that was dragon. DW v alchie would be rougher for me, I think.1 -
Good thing I judged it on a bunch of fights subsequent to it, too.
In the fight you won, it was my fault for sticking to mana prios when I should've swapped to health prio and disengaged when the affs would've put me dangerously close to a degen damage burst -> mutilate. It could've gone other way, but more to the point, it illustrates well that /if you know what you're doing and what they're doing/, the class can be handled.0 -
Farrah said:Driden said:Farrah said:Not to put Driden down or anything, but I'm not sure how you define being able to compete with me. He killed me once when I was in monk (and I'm a newbie monk) then refused to finish another fight with me when I started playing defensive, which monk has to do.
If you're going to talk about DW's omg OPness, that's not a good example!
Like I said, wasn't an attack on you. Just a response to Bann's remark! You didn't sound like you wanted to duel after the egg hunt based on your tells.Cooper said:This is one of the worst forms of special snowflake RP I've ever seen. Thanks for going to another city to do it!0 -
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Omor said:Mizik said:Omor said:If you know how to defend against DW, there is nothing OP about them in 1v1.Armali said:I've killed @Farrah, @Krizal, @Omor, and @Karren in dragon of all classes, and I've done it in alchemist as well. I'm inclined to agree that there's nothing too OP about it as long as you know how it works and turtle appropriately, as is usually the case with most mo classes. @Karren has ripped through @Driden as DWC vs. DW. @Calira goes through them no-contest. as Occultist.0
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Lyrin said:I love how a thread about "Explain Achaean Combat" has descended into a discussion of which class is OP, whether or not the amount of scripting necessary is ok and who can/cant beat other people. Couldn't explain the combat landscape any more clearly if you tried
He is a coward who has to bring two friends as backup to jump people hunting.0 -
We should start with that ridiculous crusade...0
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Aegoth said:We should start with that ridiculous crusade...
He is a coward who has to bring two friends as backup to jump people hunting.0 -
Armali said:I should've ... disengaged when the affs would've put me dangerously close to a degen damage burst -> mutilate0
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Xaden said:Aegoth said:We should start with that ridiculous crusade...
- (Eleusis): Ellodin says, "The Fissure of Echoes is Sarathai's happy place."
- With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
- (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
- Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
- Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."0 -
Sarathai said:
Makes me sad.
He is a coward who has to bring two friends as backup to jump people hunting.0 -
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Elowin said:Defense against DW srsly is 'run the fuck away,' though. Sorry y'all.
Defense against DW srsly is 'trans philosophy, buy health artifacts and run the fuck away,' though. Sorry y'all.0 -
Should expand more than one hashtag: preempt doesn't follow flight so fly and if they fly too, land/dash will get you away 100% of the time. Highlight the fuck out of when they get your shadow cause that means you need to be ready for a burst and if you have some way to disrupt their momentum or apply yours in a burst, use it (2h conveniently gets these both as one action ie break leg upset overhand) If you're a prep class, make them suffer through slow prep hell until they class change.0
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@Exelethril I'd like to point out that the only advantage gained from tracking fractures or parry is knowing that info -slightly- before you can see it which doesn't matter a whole lot on 3s balances for average players I'd say. It's just a convenient way to put all that info in one place without having it take up like seven lines.
The OTHER benefit is my amazing limb tracker that can really help step your 2h game to the next level! /shamelesspluglookinmysignature
But seriously monks send me some break point data pls.1 -
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Agreed by most if not all, but in the interrum till things change where were talking about current counterplay, it is the prime solution.0
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Mizik said:DW is obviously overpowered. But it's new release. Just have fun with it.
SNB unstoppable finisher is ludicrous. I've never had so many easy, guaranteed kills.
And for the record DW is by far the easiest, most op class in game right now... turns zeros into heros. But like someone said earlier, its still new... should be getting its needed tweeks over time.0 -
Omor said:If you know how to defend against DW, there is nothing OP about them in 1v1.0
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Proficy said:Omor said:If you know how to defend against DW, there is nothing OP about them in 1v1.
He is a coward who has to bring two friends as backup to jump people hunting.0 -
I have 0 problems ripping apart DW 1v1. Group combat is just a mess though, and whenever I see Farrah in DW and her group target me, I just go hands off keyboard0
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