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In IRE games the counter to skill and artifacts has always been numbers. If you can't 5v5 the raiders in your city, 5v10 them. Shrines getting defiled by the A-team and you can't take them in a fair fight? Bring more defenders. Numbers have always been the way that the underdogs could even up their side of the scales a bit. That capability is very important because, honestly, it's the only way that the game can function.
My problem with the crucible is that it goes against all that. Without the crucible you can add more people to your team if you're not artifacted and skilled enough to handle the defilers or whatnot. With the crucible that doesn't work. Adding more small people to the team just makes everybody die faster. Lowbies want to pitch in and help their city in a defense? The crucible is a lever that will take those lowbies who want to get involved and magnify it into a wipe.
This is pretty accurate. Crucibles and such shouldn't really be an issue, the problem is the ability to spam mass damage on everyone so when the crucible does fire it kills off a bunch of people at once. Its symptomatic of a bigger problem where its possible to keep multiple people in kill range without having to focus fire a target. I plan on auditting AoE in general next classleads round (January) to fix that.
When i go to fight another force i take reliable people not mass numbers. If i say i have 5 people vs there 5 people without taking into account of all the factors.... then i am failing as there leader.
Just my thoughts on the situation. But i am big on not wanting people to just be able to create a char and be on par with everyone... Gotta put that work in! Those who did work to get things like dragon and such, deserve the differential status.
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Raiding often requires defenders to be willing to engage with subpar groups for the sake of fun and conflict. So while yes dragons should be (and are) stronger than non-dragons, making anyone who doesn't meet X standard a liability is bad for the practice of raiding - it encourages not defending at all, since raiders are generally stronger than defenders on an individual basis.
So yes i do expect that initial discouragement to be there for those that are engaging out of there experience/ability group..... 2 types of people, those who take an ass kicking and say screw this im done and those that get there ass kicked and say i need to step my game up. Your kind of mindset says its ok to be the first #quality>quantity
These talismans have effectively throttled combat to the end-game population. If you want to join, better be dragon or be loaded with artifacts.
Now, that in itself may not be a bad thing for Achaea's bottom line. It pushes people to grind more in the game or spend money for quick credits. IRE is a business, after all.
Edit: I shiuld clarify, I am not in favour of the mechanics. But I do understand why it's a big draw to have these things from a business stand point.
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Also, remember that adventurers are special. A city consists of much more than just the adventurers or even the visible (notable?) denizens. So it's probably the case that 80% of a citie's population goes into hiding on a raid.
And third... While I agree that quality should have a certain advantage over quantity (and it will have even without crucible and the such), I agree also with @Farrah that raiders should be able to to make the advantage smaller by using a larger force. Otherwise the defending side will always get the butt end of the deal. Raiders force their enjoyment on the defenders, but defenders would have a hard time to take some enjoyment out themselves.
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This mindset is terrible for upcoming players that have any interest in combat. The bar is high enough these days for entry, let's not start shitting on them for even trying, good lord.
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If it wasn't for my experience for pvping back in the day I'd hate today's combat. There's so much knowledge, scripting, and artifacts that go into it that it makes most people who aren't as well versed into understanding things give up. I've had to hammer on @Naoma multiple times not to give up because she feels helpless in a raid because she didn't know what to do (She's gotten better, but still got things to work on and arties to buy). I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had to spend time trying to boost people up from giving up. Having the mindset of just "git gud" doesn't help in a game that sells power and some people don't have the funds to buy said power, nor have the means IG yet to work their way into buying that power.
The pursuit of getting better at combat alone is challenging. Especially if you aren't in the pvp clique where knowledge is actually shared readily.
The crucible shouldn't be doing as much as it does, end of story. It's a dumb mechanic that takes no skill and gives entirely too much reward for no skill.
I couldn't disagree more. Combat is challenging, and it does require a lot of knowledge, but that's what makes Achaea so fun. There's always something new to learn and always ways to improve! It's definitely frustrating, but way more rewarding than playing xbox or some other game. Also, saying crucible requires no skill is a wrong. It requires skill to know when to use it, and to stay alive after you drop it. The issue people have with crucible is that you can spam AoE for massive damage against all targets in a room, and Mak already said he'll address that. As for pvp cliques, I've asked just about everyone for advice and 99% of people who pk a lot are willing to talk shop with you. All you have to do is ask!
The paywall is frustrating but saying you _have_ to have artefacts to be effective in group is simply not true. Look at @Krizal, @Emilea, @Lylith, @Cailan, @Kasa, @Armali, @Mathilda, all of who are extremely effective and have very few arties.
@Farrah @Dunn @Jhui @Kasa for advice and knowledge. I have never been turned down for not being in some combat clique.
I disagree that numbers shouldn't be able to beat fewer, more skilled opponents. I have won plenty of engagements as an Eleusian because I had motivated people who listened and worked together on a basic level. You don't need arties or dragon level for it, you don't need top combatants. You just have to work together and use your skills together. But currently this isn't possible with crucible easily wiping out a group dying to chaosrays or shindo lightning or thornspray.
I am definitely not a fan of all these talisman sets that continue giving one advantage to the next. Talismans were said to be a PvE reward with little to no pvp impact. Then all these promotion talisman sets... death's cape, lvl 3 mana/health regen, instant respawns on demand, crucible, miasma,... I won't say they're breaking the game. But they do give a tremendous advantage. In the next Great Hunt, having one of those capes and not having one is going to be a big difference. Let alone if the respawn item works.
I still love playing Achaea, I still enjoy combat. But I am not a fan of these talisman sets at all.
I feel like a general AOE nerf would fix a lot of the problems with it by making it harder to proc so many simultaneous blasts, but I'd still like it to be based on deaths in the room with it instead of just on general deathsight.
Artifacts have always worked this way. With zero cape charges I've got 6670 max health in strength spec lesserform and 9k health in dragonform. And I've got artifact weapons and a crit pendant and strength gauntlets and I've got the Meropis pebble and other assorted toys that give me a big advantage over the have-nots.
Honestly, I feel like the cape is actually fairly helpful there because the cape provides strong tanking at a fraction of the price of the bracelets+belt combo, making it a much more affordable way to close the gap with the artifact whales in terms of raw health. Sure, I have the cape too, but I feel like the difference between ~6600 and ~9900 is less important than the distance between ~4500 and ~6750.