Auto-following target calls is bad, somehow, I guess

Atalkez

That's the thing, though. If a Serpent burns hypnosis - you can still live pretty easily if you have been defending properly to begin with. Alchemist doesn't offer that same situation, since either way you go is a bad way to go. It's one thing to have a fork in curing to capitalize on two kill paths, it's another entirely to pressure two kill conditions simultaneously without any downside or slowing of progress like hypnosis requires. Hypnosis is a prep, humours aren't anything like prep.

You're discounting tree/active/passive not curing humours as they do other comparable afflictions.

You're not calling them useless, except in the beginning and middle of a fight though? They're potent in endgame, but they don't really matter otherwise? Let's be real.

Dunn

Eh I don't hypno every fight. It's not entirely necessary for a kill so I dunno. 

Vender

homonculus block uptime is 100% if i'm not wrong and serpent pinshot has a duration so there's that to consider as well

Anedhel

Not sure how you can say that something that'll screw you if you leave it uncured is not an affliction. 

Farrah and Atalkez covered it pretty well. You can get rid of the affs to prevent a lock, or you can cure the tempers to avoid the instant kills, but not both (barring the avenue of leaving the fight). Not only that, all of this is unstoppable, since you can't actually hinder an Alchemist effectively as most classes.

I'm really not sure how someone can have a hard time wrapping their head around why most people hate fighting that class. 

Amranu

Perhaps reworking tempers to make them less of a burst more of a passive effect when inundated would help - with the passive effect being more powerful if you inundate with more tempers.

For instance, could have inundated phlegmatic give passive afflictions every second or so, with how long it lasts or how many it gives based on the number of tempers when inundated. Similar effects could be done with the other humours.

Vender

no i think it has to be burst because alchemist does not have any prep, otherwise it would be too easy to just run after inundates. this is also why homonculus block is so strong because alchemist has to start from 0 every time the opponent leaves. post lock alchemist is survivable for quite a few classes, but 8 choleric is I think is the biggest timebomb aspect of the class.

Szanthax

Farrah said:

Tempers aren't comparable to hypnosis or any kind of prep because they flatout kill you when they are finished building. Prep setups and hypnosis are survivable. The only balancing factor to tempers is that they -are- afflictions. Unlike hypnosis and prep, they can and must be cured.

So yes, they have to count as afflictions.

When you teach me to kill you I'll believe this

Szanthax

Also if someone is going phlegmatic you know lock is coming, sanguine bleed, etc. I know the great curers are curing all..m but I'm not learning all so prearse herps

Bann

Szanthax said:

Also if someone is going phlegmatic you know lock is coming, sanguine bleed, etc. I know the great curers are curing all..m but I'm not learning all so prearse herps

I feel like you were speaking Targossian at the end of that...

Hirst

Let me put this entire thread to rest...

Message #4833       Sent by Anytus
9/27/16:42 Greetings. Regarding the issue #77501 filed against you by (redacted)
for using illusions to mimic party calls. I've reviewed this situation and am
dismissing the issue. For future reference, using IC illusions to cast a party
into disarray is entirely permitted.

Case closed.

Jinsun

I read... Parts of this thread. The worst combatants generally have the most automation. Combat in Achaea is a weird mix of baseline coding ability and really knowing combat. My offense is full manual. I target manually. Grandue actually demanded that I make a clan for Ashtan that taught everyone to follow a leaders targets via a script. It took too much work to remember all the checks and in the heat of the moment, they fucked it up.


also, automation leads to some really funny complaints. Hands down they'll deny it, but for a few years targ was encouraging auto deliver scripts to save people from fights. Someone afk would save that person based on a tell. Ashtan could do the same via empress but most of us don't. I'd get threats to issue, etc, because someone would auto deliver someone I was fighting, and I'd go kill the deliverer. Also have issues with people accidentally hitting me because they're following a leader etc. I try to always follow up and kill that person. If you're not paying attention to what you're doing and that leads you to attacking someone at random you deserve to get steamrolled.

Xaden

I won't say it was encouraged in my time in Targ, but it definitely was a thing. Was never something I was overly comfortable with - cos newbies would deliver someone without knowing it made them a target after. There were a few arguments about it around the turn of the RL year.

Farrah

It's not like Hirst and Seragorn don't have auto-emp scripts while they afk at battlements. It's fine to do. But like Jinsun noted, there are consequences. So shouldn't do it if you don't want to be attacked.

Jinsun

Farrah said:

It's not like Hirst and Seragorn don't have auto-emp scripts while they afk at battlements. It's fine to do. But like Jinsun noted, there are consequences. So shouldn't do it if you don't want to be attacked.

Yeah, I know a few people have auto emps that they enable upon afk. I don't have one because well, I don't want someone yelling for an emp without me knowing why or who

Hirst

Farrah said:

It's not like Hirst and Seragorn don't have auto-emp scripts while they afk at battlements. It's fine to do. But like Jinsun noted, there are consequences. So shouldn't do it if you don't want to be attacked.

I will admit to having it sometimes but I rarely rarely turn it on.  99.99% of all my emps are manual. I set allyTarget when somebody calls but I manually hit Ctrl-f8 to emp that target.  Just saying.

I also do a lot of proactive emping. If somebody has been in a room taking dmg too long or bursts, I'll emp them out. Might seem like its auto from your end but it's very manual from mine.

Cynlael

ctrl f8... The MMO player in me is weeping at such a keybind. I guess it's not SO bad when you're playing a game that doesn't require  a hand on the mouse, but still...

Szanthax

Cynlael said:

ctrl f8... The MMO player in me is weeping at such a keybind. I guess it's not SO bad when you're playing a game that doesn't require  a hand on the mouse, but still...

I hate the f buttons.

Nazihk

Cynlael said:

ctrl f8... The MMO player in me is weeping at such a keybind. I guess it's not SO bad when you're playing a game that doesn't require  a hand on the mouse, but still...

If you're fighting in Achaea and you have a hand on the mouse you are doing it completely wrong.

Armali

A U T O M A T I O N.

Am browsing internet while I let my system PK for me.

Cynlael

Nazihk said:

Cynlael said:

ctrl f8... The MMO player in me is weeping at such a keybind. I guess it's not SO bad when you're playing a game that doesn't require  a hand on the mouse, but still...

If you're fighting in Achaea and you have a hand on the mouse you are doing it completely wrong.

..Hence the second part of what I said..

Hirst

Szanthax said:

Cynlael said:

ctrl f8... The MMO player in me is weeping at such a keybind. I guess it's not SO bad when you're playing a game that doesn't require  a hand on the mouse, but still...

I hate the f buttons.

I can do an entire skirmish on almost all F buttons. f1 to hangedman, f2 to aeon, f3 to lust, and numpad-5 to hound/warp.

Cynlael

[screams internally]

Szanthax

Hirst said:

Szanthax said:

Cynlael said:

ctrl f8... The MMO player in me is weeping at such a keybind. I guess it's not SO bad when you're playing a game that doesn't require  a hand on the mouse, but still...

I hate the f buttons.

I can do an entire skirmish on almost all F buttons. f1 to hangedman, f2 to aeon, f3 to lust, and numpad-5 to hound/warp.

But... My typing gets stupid when in trying to play achaea like a fps

Vessil

Homerow-centered macros OP

Adeleine

Nazihk said:

Cynlael said:

ctrl f8... The MMO player in me is weeping at such a keybind. I guess it's not SO bad when you're playing a game that doesn't require  a hand on the mouse, but still...

If you're fighting in Achaea and you have a hand on the mouse you are doing it completely wrong.

Buttons for DAYS.

Vender

i have seen systems where all the different attack macros are placed on buttons in a side window next to movement options, and i have known a player who played through his phone on blowtorch (and killed me) with touch screen and macro buttons on it.

what i wanna see next is playing achaea with a homebrew wiimote. sheathe my wiimote before every attack as bm imo.

Adeleine

Vender said:

i have seen systems where all the different attack macros are placed on buttons in a side window next to movement options, and i have known a player who played through his phone on blowtorch (and killed me) with touch screen and macro buttons on it.

what i wanna see next is playing achaea with a homebrew wiimote. sheathe my wiimote before every attack as bm imo.

Improve your mudsexing with teledildonics!

Vender

now you can type paragraph long mudsex emotes with two hands...

Antonius

Vender said:

what i wanna see next is playing achaea with a homebrew wiimote. sheathe my wiimote before every attack as bm imo.

I think @Zulah was playing around with something similar using a Kinect at one point? May be misremembering some of the details.

Zulah

Antonius said:

Vender said:

what i wanna see next is playing achaea with a homebrew wiimote. sheathe my wiimote before every attack as bm imo.

I think @Zulah was playing around with something similar using a Kinect at one point? May be misremembering some of the details.

I was using an xbox remote with a small graphics display I had made. Worked pretty smooth for bashing!

Zulah said:

So here I am racking my brain to find an actual plausible reason to use more animations in my system other than "oooo purdy" when suddenly it came to me... 

I present the next level of my GUI's!