Capture the Flag! 09/24/16

Kythra

City Scores
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Ashtan 2117
Hashan 899
Cyrene 6816
Mhaldor 10326
Eleusis 10835
Targossas 3006


Last year's score!

Predictions? Thoughts? Go!


(I really hate this lag. I went from full HP to none, trying to spam evade to get out of a rush.)

Exelethril

Wondering if someone would like to take the time to draw a correlation between no. of people in a city that can actually log in with the city's score.

Cooper

Lag has me not even wanting to keep going.

Melodie

I think lag is making everything reaaalllly difficult to do anything with. Especially with a smaller team.

Kythra

Man, this was me just trying to evade. Was only trying to evade. And I have the best internet my city can provide too. Lots of rage. haha.
https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/6b38c6c5

Ankhareoutef

My internet went away >.<

Kythra

Ashtan being assholes at the cave, here's me trying to fend them off and the results

https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/eeab88c2

Atalkez

This is a NORMAL CTF.

Minutes left:  0

City Scores

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Ashtan         60

Hashan         4286

Cyrene         6303

Mhaldor        6790

Eleusis        11993

Targossas      9436

Awesome job Targossas, super excited how well we did for being almost 1/2 numbers of all the other teams basically.

Kythra

The results! 

City Scores

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Ashtan         60

Hashan         4286

Cyrene         6303

Mhaldor        6790

Eleusis        11993

Targossas      9436

GG WP, everyone!
And Eleusis!

Puxi

The lag ruined it for me. Maybe it is me being ignorant, but how is there lag in a text based game with current technology?

Atalkez

Puxi said:

The lag ruined it for me. Maybe it is me being ignorant, but how is there lag in a text based game with current technology?

Well, imagine there are 150+ people all spamming various commands basically at the same time.

Probably not exactly a small amount of data to parse, hence the bit of lag.

Leviticus

Dear @Sarapis, please for the love of jesus upgrade your servers. Every event that is intended for massive participation from the Achaean community ends in a shit show because of lag. Cut into the huge profits ya'll making and do us all a service and upgrade your infrastructure. The lag was absolutely terribe. Making the CTF unplayable in melee.

Mishgul

also maintaining good servers is expensive for the income of a text game. migrating is also work. When there are only two or three paid admin and one paid coder, limits are everywhere. Maintaining bandwidth is also expensive. I imagine doubly so for a game based in America. The wonderful world of internet is complex and funky. 

Antonius

Puxi said:

The lag ruined it for me. Maybe it is me being ignorant, but how is there lag in a text based game with current technology?

Achaea is single-threaded, so every command is handled in turn. The fact that people start spamming commands during lag just makes it worse.

Puxi

Those seem like pretty shotty excuses to me, but I don't know what their P&L looks like. Just baffles me that there would be lag at all during something like that if they had semi-decent servers.

Quisse

It was more fun than I thought it would be, even with lag. And we did well!

Leviticus

Mishgul said:

also maintaining good servers is expensive for the income of a text game. migrating is also work. When there are only two or three paid admin and one paid coder, limits are everywhere. Maintaining bandwidth is also expensive. I imagine doubly so for a game based in America. The wonderful world of internet is complex and funky. 

I don't know what Achaea does with their profits. I do know Zulah claims to have dropped 7K plus this month along with my 7K dropped over the last 3 months = 14,000 dollars just from two players in Achaea. They should be able to afford to pay everyone, upgrade and maintain their infrastructure. Especially when we have a lot of retired folk migrating to Achaea from other MUDS. Now from a business standpoint I'd understand if the pros didn't outweight the cons. Just come out and say that during big events you might as well log off so I don't waste my time.

Cooper

Good jobs are definitely deserved by Targ, they kicked ass for how many people they had.

Also very proud of Mhaldor for keeping moral up even after we got our teeth kicked in by two factions attacking separately but at the same time.

I hope we have 30-40 people around next time so we can put up an even bigger fight!

Jonathin

You can go ahead and log off during big events.
More winning for me.

Aegoth

Had a great time killing everyone. GJ Mhaldor for sticking with me til the end, in spite of the odds

Vender

this was my first ctf in achaea and i had really great time. favorite moments were killing proficy when she used deliverance with arrows and killing ashtan tree spawn campers with cooper and nodding to each other

Atalkez

Vender said:

this was my first ctf in achaea and i had really great time. favorite moments were killing proficy when she used deliverance with arrows and killing ashtan tree spawn campers with cooper and nodding to each other

lol

Makarios

Ok, so lag.

As mentioned, Achaea is a single threaded game. We're also running an engine which though it can do some amazing things (and frankly is incredibly robust), is 19 years old with a 19 year old codebase. Modern standards are pretty irrelevant when you consider that - rapture was not built with said standards in mind, and there's only so much that can be done in the name of optimisation while maintaining backwards compatibility across 4 games.

. Servers can do a lot but when you have 40 people in one room all hammering 20 commands a second, you basically are going to get lag, no way around it. Its also an unfortunate truth that input volume is steadily increasing over the years, as people create more and more command heavy aliases. You'd not really see this a few years ago because most people had aliases 4 commands long at best; 10+ is not uncommon now.

I am considering some options though, like throttling per player input for larger events to try to cut back on this. Doing it in such a way not to just annoy people will be tricky, but we'll definitely discuss options. I can safely say the hardware isn't a concern. Achaea is running on a decent server.

As for the ctf itself, was very impressed by the showing this year. There were some awesome plays from all the teams.

For those of you that felt your experience was ruined by the lag that does tend to come alongside these big events, definitely sorry about that.

Rangor

I had a good time. Lots of the old pvp buddies showed up to say hi and the new generation did great.

Mishgul

Leviticus said:

Mishgul said:

also maintaining good servers is expensive for the income of a text game. migrating is also work. When there are only two or three paid admin and one paid coder, limits are everywhere. Maintaining bandwidth is also expensive. I imagine doubly so for a game based in America. The wonderful world of internet is complex and funky. 

I don't know what Achaea does with their profits. I do know Zulah claims to have dropped 7K plus this month along with my 7K dropped over the last 3 months = 14,000 dollars just from two players in Achaea. They should be able to afford to pay everyone, upgrade and maintain their infrastructure. Especially when we have a lot of retired folk migrating to Achaea from other MUDS. Now from a business standpoint I'd understand if the pros didn't outweight the cons. Just come out and say that during big events you might as well log off so I don't waste my time.

we cannot base our logic over this. that might be the 14000 dollars they got total. i guess you would need to get the data from them before you could drop a proper argument. Working on payment systems has made me appreciate the amount of work you have to do to get a program to run smoothly with multiple users sending requests. I dont mean it is solely expensive from a currency point of view. The resources you need does not always correlate with the money you have either. i wonder how many senior network engineers would want to work for achaea for example for the wages that iron realms can offer.

edit: and i wonder how many programmers want to work on fixing legacy code re: what makarios said.

Sarathai

Was awesome to see so many smaller people coming out to join the madness.

Mishgul

i am sad i missed it. next time i will make sure to check upcoming before booking any vacation.

Szanthax

Had to work last minute glad everyone had fun

Bann

Wish I could have been here. My sister's reception was tonight, so...priorities

Puxi

Bann said:

Wish I could have been here. My sister's reception was tonight, so...priorities

I think you would have been the difference for Ashtan! 

Bann

Puxi said:

Bann said:

Wish I could have been here. My sister's reception was tonight, so...priorities

I think you would have been the difference for Ashtan! 

Breh I multislash like a bawss.