Hold The Door

Xaden

Aegoth said:

Xaden said:

Sarathai said:

Xaden said:

Summer

To be fair, it is winter, and the direwolf was named Summer.

I genuinely thought Bran/Summer would see out the story. 

well, Summer might not die in the book, but GRRM confirmed that Hodor... yea

He did? On 'Not a blog'?

That makes me sad. I still held out hopes of Bran skinchanging him and laying waste to people.

Exelethril

Hodor = Hold Door (duh)

Aesi

I just started this episode. I am sure I am in for a world of sad.

Asmodron

Basically it isnt easy or cheap to animate the wolves for scenes. It is much much easier to manipulate the storyline a little and make them die off. Only active one left is Ghost and frankly if you think about it, he hasnt exactly had scenes all that often.

Morthif

I did notice they didn't show him leaving Castle Back either. 

Aesi

What the fucking fuck :dissapointed:

Lachlan

The moment you put together that Hodor's name isn't Hodor and something in his youth changes and there he is with future Bran in the past  and all the shit is going down at the burning tree and THERE IS NO WAY BRAN DOESN'T RUIN HODOR FOREVER BECAUSE MARTIN IS A COMPLETE DICK AND why the fuck did Summer just die a useless death  how are they going to survive WAIT THAT IS WHERE HODOR COMES FROM BECAUSE HE SPENT HIS WHOLE LIFE SERVING THE STARKS AFTER SEEING HIS OWN DEATH WHO COULD SAY ANYTHING ELSE EVER 


Jonathin said:

      

The boyfriend is not over exaggerating my reaction in the least.

On a more fulfilling note, the Stark family guilt will propel Bran to find the dragons (that he currently knows nothing about) and KILL ALL THE WHITEWALKERS WITH FIRE. Somehow. For Hodor. Fuck the world. It's all about Hodor now. 

Shirszae

I did not know people were so invested in Hodor Summer's useless death was worse. Heck, even that old man's death (I don't quite recall the name now) affected me more than Hodor's.

Saeva

That episode was painful. He was so loyal. And yeah, Summer... why was that such nonsense!

Kasya

I think the reaction to Hodor was in part learning that he essentially watched his death years before and was permanently traumatized from it. That's just insane...

Trey

        

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Skarash

man that was cold with Hodor.  I mean really, destroying his mind so he can be some sort of glorified reverse door valet. He should come back as a specialized white walker who only ever opens doors! fu Starks- hold your own damn door!

Skye

Hodor is Pericles?

Skarash

anyone ever thought that if GoT wasn't told in large part from the Stark point of view how incredibly unfortunate/incompetent they seem to be as a great house.  Most of them have died in spectacular fashion - mostly after grossly, grossly misjudging the character of their 'allies'

Siduri

Northmen are a special kind of men. More upright, more loyal. They do not think like the rest of the world.
(And thus get solidly shafted)

Skarash

the boltons and the karstarks didn't strike me as particularly loyal although with the karstarks specifically that might be excuseable.  If you juxtapose Dany and the Starks, the most glaring difference would be Dany's propensity to inspire loyalty and ability to surround herself with good people versus the Starks perpetual ability to surround themselves with Judases

Shirszae

Well, to be fair. The Stark inspire loyalty. Its just that by now they got most of the truly loyal people killed in their own stupid mistakes.

Aesh

http://imgur.com/gallery/FL1Ov

Bleak

I really hope that when Bran wakes up from his beautysleep, that girl kicks him in the nuts. 

Kasya

So there's this...

Xaden

Skarash said:

the boltons and the karstarks didn't strike me as particularly loyal although with the karstarks specifically that might be excuseable.  If you juxtapose Dany and the Starks, the most glaring difference would be Dany's propensity to inspire loyalty and ability to surround herself with good people versus the Starks perpetual ability to surround themselves with Judases

The Starks issue is that they are honorable to a fault and superpose their moral code onto other people, expectin' others to act just like them. 

Dany however, was surrounded by her brother (abusive cu*t), Illyro Mopatis (Playing his own game with Varys, not necessarily to Dany's benefit), Jorah (Selling her secrets to the Lannisters). But the thing of it is - She's lucked out big time. Trusted Miri Maz Duur, Drogo dies, but wait, DRAGONS! There's lots of examples (though maybe I'm thinking more of the books, cos she's white washed to shit in the show) of times when she just flat out flukes her way through things.

The Starks inspire great loyalty in the north. The Boltons have always been their enemies. But they have the Manderlys, all of the small clans (the Wulls, the Norreys etc), the Mormonts... but again, they're too 'honourable' for their own good.

Skarash

dont forget theon!

Kasya

And there's that...

Kresslack

Shirszae said:

I did not know people were so invested in Hodor Summer's useless death was worse. Heck, even that old man's death (I don't quite recall the name now) affected me more than Hodor's.

Ser Barristan? Yeah, his death was pretty premature, especially after all of the establishing of him as a legend. There's something to consider though, in that it didn't seem to actually show Hodor dying. Anything could still happen. as we've seen that whether we witness someone dying or not, it makes nothing final until time passes.

Shara

I think she means, Brynden Rivers/Bloodraven. The Targaryen blood never stops spilling. 

Xaden

Except he's not Brynden Rivers in the show. He's the T(h)ree Eyed Raven. Who lived a thousand years ago. 

By the by - the minor changes like Three Eyed Crow becoming Raven, Asha Greyjoy becoming Yara, Walder becoming Wylis (hodor), because they don't believe viewers can keep track of things on their own, are more galling than the massive story-line changes.

Mizik

Also in this episode: 

Xaden

Hodor in drag....



...just cos

Sarapis

Bow down to the Hodorer.