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Best Mark/Contract Class
I kinda think Alchemist is a pretty good class for a Mark to hinder and kill quickly...
Dragon is definitely meh...
What's the general take? Jester any better?
Dragon is definitely meh...
What's the general take? Jester any better?
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Monks can also get radiance kills, big advantage since people spend the majority of their time in Achaea on guard stacks. They also have some very strong melee skills that nets them a bunch of kills. BBT and kai choke scale a ton.
Alchemists can displace, a big plus. They are mediocre in group melee though.
Occultists can be nasty when they jump you, even more so indoors. If they put tower and freeze ground in a few rooms before they engage, good luck going anywhere.
I'd say Occultist first, easily.
Serpent and alchemist are also good. Alchemist/monk can get the afk kills on people hiding on guards. Maybe Occultist too if warp still doesn't respect elevation.
Alchemist/Occultist are good for jumping because mobile room hinder and fast kills, and serpent has backstab and snipe.
Sylvan/druid might be pretty good too with just wildgrowth plus loldamage, but hard to say. Nobody really plays them.
Occultist
Blademaster if you don't need infiltration. Or for ass stomping anyone under 80.
Edit: Honestly, Sentinels don't get enough credit. If used correctly, they're total beasts. Just like any class.
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enter room and do the dead-making.
Sentinel has to set up traps around the target, enter room, do the dead making, and hope that their target doesn't react in time, or that their target doesn't catch them laying down the traps and just gets the hell outta there.
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Every other class is a pretty much if they don't want to fight you they don't have to type setup... You can hinder them for a bit but the chances of them escaping before you go to kill are pretttttttty high in a solo gank.
Tentacles, I'll give you that. I don't agree that it's as good as piety/gravehands, though. Because those are good for escaping your opponent, as well as stopping them leaving. Projection also bypasses tentacles. (Hi Shaman)
I sure would love to know where you got this 'balanceless shield raze' from, because last I checked, Gremlin consumes equilibrium (yes it's lowered depending on the amount of afflictions you have, but it's certainly never balanceless, and shielding will always help you because it's still preventing afflictions)
Dunno what to tell you, mate. Occultist has been fucked harder than any class in the past few classlead rounds. Just because it -can- kill people, that doesn't mean the class is fine, and certainly doesn't mean it's OP. Play the class yourself, and you'll see the glaring flaws with it.
I also feel like you're not giving enough credit to the difficulty of running away from Occultist, a class that naturally sticks Lethargy (one attempt to leave the room every ~two seconds) and has room hinder that follows them where they chase.
Not sure Occultist desperately needs nerfs, but it's still very strong.
Another problem is it lacks meaningful offensive hinder. Have access to lethargy and clumsiness only and can do these two on instill at 1.91s between each (bloodleech doesnt give these any more), so cant stack one under the other. Now if a target has lethargy when they use balance, they will be slowed down 0.3-0.5s, while a class with access to paralysis will average at a 0.7s hinder (which can be easily raised to 1-1.2s average if smart to account for timings). In other words, occies sit and take it all in the face more than virtually any other class.
It can still kill people, specially unskilled ones or those that dont know what the class actually can do, but they are not in need of a nerf, some reworks maybe to be able to do something against those that do know how to counter it.
I legslashed Seragorn twice in our last fight, tried to run and hit tentacles like 10 times then died.
The offense is extremely hard to hinder, even with paralysis whoring. If you're not good at optimizing the offense, yeah you can struggle, but if you are - the class is extremely deadly and extremely fast at being deadly.
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Any, and I mean any momentum that an Occultist gets on a blademaster, you just bound out or pop meditation balance-free and evade. Your hitting of tentacles is your own fault, you know you can 100% avoid it if you really wanted to.
Let's not forget the pommel/prone/impale that Amranu mentioned. Or phoenix'ing if shit really hits the fan (which you already know removes madness THROUGH hecate). Not like any of your important defences take balance to put back up anyway.
Let's go through this, man. Just for you.
HELP CLASSLIST
Alchemist: educe salt comboable with their offence, yes they have to wrack instead of truewrack, but let's be real. Shit is dumb as hell. They will out pace an Occultist any day of the week, esp with the affs they have on-demand.
Apostate: 1.9s deadeyes, which has on-demand paralysis, as well as nightmare now giving hypersomnia to make sleeplocking a very real, and deadly thing.
Bard: hallelujah. Need I say more? Not to mention canticle'd paralysis.
Blademaster: Been through that shit.
Druid: I don't even know this class anymore, so I'll just toss ideas for that in the bin. They still got might tho, and nightingale.
Knight: Ridiculously easy to stack paralysis into them, unless you're dual blunt. But then you just fuck them over with slow prep+damage anyway. HF.
Jester: See Blademaster, pretty much. Conc bomb/hang/puppet mangle/juggling guaranteed hinder.
Magi/Monk: See Knight, albeit not hindering via paralysis, but instead via quickly broken limbs instead. The former has reflections too.
Priest: We already know how hard this class fucks over momentum classes.
Sentinel: Spammable confusion/impatience/paralysis. Enjoy never even getting cadmus if they fight smartly, let alone hecate/madness.
Serpent: Maybe the one class Occultist can outpace, but if they have a thoth's then nope... Even then, they got pinshot+evade+dash+shrugging. Dstab speed almost matches instill even without artis, as long as decent dex.
Shaman: Swiftcurse harder, if you find yourself ever in trouble.
Sylvan: You reach max energy before they can even cadmus you. Do the math. Throw a blackout+4k damage shockwave at them if you ever think you're gonna be in danger. If that fails, you always have reflection and bloodboil. Also panacea and prismatic.
Despite all of this, Occultist still lost paralysis (via torc deletion/comboing weaponry with ents). Lols. Good job. See Josoul's post regarding their offensive hindering.
Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh."
Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."