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EDIT: Per bazaar at least
It might help a bit if you could look at what's for sale for a period of time - let's say 5 or 10 minutes - before they actually start selling their wares. That way you have time to look at everything that's there and make a decision on what you might like to (try to) buy before it's all completely sold out.
Also, don't show enter/exit lines in this rooms, because that's by far the worst part. Trying to see what's available with everybody moving in and out can be next to impossible.
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I might be wrong since I don't think I've really been active for one for a couple of years at least, but isn't this pretty unique for a bazaar? For it to be open more than once with (mostly) the same wares.
Also not everybody reads the forums, or even talks out of character with people who do, but may still be interested in purchasing items from the bazaar.
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Something I had suggested years ago that I would still like to see, was that even if the merchants didn't have any of an item remaining, it would be nice if they could still show you what the items were, and what the items look like. I like the idea of being able to look at the items before the sale starts even better though. That said, if the root problem (vanishingly small supplies and a rabid buyer pool) is addressed, I'd be even happier, and these changes would probably not even really be needed.
EDIT: whew, and not showing enter and exit lines would be great, yes please.
All of the items would still be plenty rare and special. If nothing else, even if everyone logged in for them, as characters age and go dormant the items would become comparatively rare. This is how virtually every other event item works - my amber firefly and my logosmas necklace thingy are both special and unique and fun without having artificially restricted how many of them were out in the world.
No offence, but it seems pretty rude to be saying that when a number of people literally just said that it was completely necessary and they missed out (and a number of people "liked" the posts). Do you...not believe us?
I was waiting in the area where it opened, completely ready. I knew which items I was going to try to buy (five, none of them the super-limited-quantity mounts or anything). I had the commands typed out and my gold out of my pack. By the time I got inside and managed to figure out which tents had the two denizens I was trying to buy from in all that spam (about a minute), the items were already completely gone. I saw one one other item in the denizen's inventory I didn't particularly want and figured I might as well come away with something, and it too was gone by the time I typed the command to buy it.
And if you miss something you can buy it? Sure. Except that people are charging $140 for a 15,000 gold item.
I feel like this is ignoring the larger problem - you shouldn't have to get information beforehand so you can rush in and hope that you're fast enough to get one or two items you want before they're all sold out. And the information being so easily accessible on the forums gives forum-goers a huge advantage here that is not, I think, a positive thing.
I might sell my kite/disc at some point in the future, sure. But while I'll probably wind up using a reasonable premium for rarity myself, an entire ship?
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Thanks for assuming I'm being rude, though.
Edit: Also, for any of the rare mounts, no matter how many are sold... most of them end up dying anyways. People just forget to feed or leave them in a bad spot and they get killed. It's why I stopped buying mounts for people because every time I have they have let it die (except one I gave to Kohilo which he collared).
That is exactly it. Why is going to a bazaar (shopping) some extreme competition?
(I am pretty sure this is the video I used when I posted about this... probably back in 2012!)
EDIT: and yeah, we're sort of on the same page with the mounts. People do not take care of them (see my above posts on that).
EDIT2: If nothing else, this thread has made me realize that I need to see if I can get Imperian to steal Achaea's shitty bazaars and make them awesome, like they do with everything else.
I bought a few items for myself, and a few others to resell. I think one each of six things, two of which I want to keep (Journal and manuscript). Also ended up with a spare manuscript as someone else grabbed one for me, but I already got one. I'd be into more of the shiny stuff, but I have other customs I want to do and other items I want/need to non decay first. If I can make a few credits selling bazaar items to go towards non decaying something else, I'm okay with that. I can't afford to throw 50 credits at every trinket I like, and if I don't... well it's dust in a couple of IRL months.
All manually purchased, and nothing pre-typed, btw. Just wandering around (quickly) picking things up. Though I was at the first bazaar (and got only one item from it because of the spam, which wasn't what I wanted - a pet rock from a mysterious box) and discussed with people about what the rest of the items were before the bazaar started so I knew what I was looking for. Still missed out on two of the things I did want as they sold faster than I could grab them.
On the other hand, people who are willing to pay their 50cr to non decay something usually aren't too unhappy about paying another 10 to obtain the item... so it's kind of win win all around really.
Won't be able to make the last one, so good luck to those who do!
I was then fortunate enough to get one of the items I wanted. Thank you so much, Miss You-Know-Who-You-Are!<3
I (and others) are saying that, in this one, it was not possible. You know how I know it was not possible? Because I didn't manage to do it. This was not a case of rolling the dice - if it had been possible for me, I would have gotten something.
It had nothing to do with lag. It had nothing to do with being slow. I was waiting right outside, knew what I wanted, and so did everyone else. The entire event lasted a couple of minutes, max - the only thing that didn't instantly sell out was the perfume, which took only a couple minutes more. It was not just the mounts. You seem absolutely insistent on writing everyone off because you didn't have trouble in the past, which is, incidentally, the part I found kind of rude (Whether you intended it to be or not. I don't know what the hell "assuming [you] intended to be rude" is supposed to mean - rudeness does not require intention. For future reference, passive-aggressive "thank you" qualifies, in case you weren't intending to be rude there either.).
If you didn't already know what was for sale and were manually trying to buy things, hell even if you were trying to buy things without looking at them, you stood no chance here. This one was particularly bad because everyone knew when it was and what was going to be there, but previous ones sold out of most of the desirable items very quickly too. Even if you knew what was being sold and had it triggered and everything this time, I doubt you could have bought anything other than the perfume if you didn't know exactly where it was taking place ahead of time too.
Even if you did know what was for sale and were ready to buy things as quickly as possible, standing in the (unannounced) area it appeared in, as I was, it was very difficult to buy anything in time. Everything was gone very quickly. I don't know about whether people fully automated it or whatever, and I think it was probably more to do with how many people were there than a few individuals each scooping up a lot of the stock, but why should a thing that sells a bunch of fun little items be such a race at all?
That's the fundamental question: how is it better for these events to only have a few winners, the people who ran there as fast as possible, and for a bunch of excited people to leave disappointed that they weren't given the opportunity to buy anything? We're not even talking about free items here - we're talking about not even getting the opportunity to spend gold on something. Even when the items don't sell out as ludicrously fast as they did this time, the most desirable items, even little knick-knacks (I'm not talking about things like the mounts that people expect to be rare and understand that there will be competition over) tend to be gone relatively quickly and the people browsing or the midbies who don't know how to get to the place virtually instantly are left with the pored-over dregs of the stuff that other people didn't want. In what possible way is any of this a good thing? I guess the people who succeed in getting the items like it because they sell for a lot and they get to sit happy in the knowledge that they have something that other people were disappointed not to be able to get themselves?
Yes, not everyone gets to participate in every event. But I can't think of many others where it looks like everyone gets to participate, but in practice many if not most don't. The Itenerant Bazaar is not advertised as a competitive race. That doesn't seem to be the intention at all. If it is the intention, that could stand to be made clearer (and, personally, I don't think it's a very good intention, but at least I wouldn't get it into my head that I should stay up to participate).