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Make each musical instrument that Bards can use in combat an artie w/ the function of Lasallian Lyre

SilvarienSilvarien Member Posts: 577 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
Hi there,

Bards can use a number of musical instruments in combat, but I think a disproportionate number are specializing in Lyre so they can use the Lasallian Lyre artie. I was hoping to propose that every instrument that a Bard can use be made into an artefact identical in function and cost to the Lasallian Lyre. So, a 500 cr Lasallian Flute, Lasallian Mandolin, Lasallian Harp, Lasallian Lute, and of course the Lasallian Lyre. and also that an inexpensive option be attached to all such artefacts so one can be switched to another. This would enable bards to use any musical instrument even if they want the powerful effect of Lasallian Lyre. I cannot see any OP issues, it's mainly a flavor issue. And I cannot see why any Bard would argue against this being done, because it gives more options, is simple to implement, and detracts literally nothing from any part of the game.

I think there might be the objection that all these options needlessly clog up the Artie shop. So, why not do what was done with Races and those Morphing Weapons? Sell the person an "unspecialized" Lasallian musical instrument, add an option to the item similar to racial specialization, and the unspecialized Lasallian item just morphs into Lyre, or Flute, or whatever. And, there is some sort of option, with or without cost, to later morph it into another instrument, if needed, morphing-weapon-style, (without cost,) or reincarnation style, (with cost.) That WOULDN'T clog up the artie shop.

Thank you for reading my idea.
ShirszaeCooper

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  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo DomingoMember Posts: 3,357 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I once asked if I could have a Lasallian Harp instead of a lyre, so to speak. The answer was a rotund no.

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

    Silvarien
  • SilvarienSilvarien Member Posts: 577 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    edited May 2015
    Shirszae said:
    I once asked if I could have a Lasallian Harp instead of a lyre, so to speak. The answer was a rotund no.
    @Shirszae : was there any reason for it? I just don't understand, given that all of them would have the same function, and the same price.

    Edit: maybe it would clogging up the Artie shop? Let me edit the OP.
  • KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the StormMember Posts: 3,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    As a bard, I wholeheartedly agree to the OP. Klendathu specialised in lyre due to having a (customised) lyre. However, I'm also consciousmof @Kyrra's bagpipes.

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    SilvarienShirszaeKyrraTrey
  • RuthRuth SingaporeMember Posts: 2,700 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I think it's mostly because of the need for code support? They need to put in more code to support the different instrument specialisations and tweak the message for each.
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    Silvarien
  • TreyTrey Member Posts: 4,819 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Yeah, this would devalue the fuck out of Kyrra's bagpipes, I'd be pissed if I'd won the auction and later they started offering it for way cheaper. Not a terrible idea if there hadn't been that auction though.

  • SilvarienSilvarien Member Posts: 577 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    edited May 2015
    Trey said:
    Yeah, this would devalue the fuck out of Kyrra's bagpipes, I'd be pissed if I'd won the auction and later they started offering it for way cheaper. Not a terrible idea if there hadn't been that auction though.
    @Trey : it wouldn't devalue Kyrra's bagpipes because her bagpipes would still be unique in their existence. The items I proposed are artefact versions of the items Bards used to fight: Lasallian Flute, Lasallian Mandolin, Lasallian Harp, Lasallian Lute, and Lasallian Lyre. I wasn't suggesting bagpipes. If there were bagpipes among these, it wouldn't be because of my suggestion.

  • TahquilTahquil Member Posts: 4,464 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Other option to level the bard playing field would be make the lysallian lyre unplayable as a main bard instrument.
    Shirszae
  • TreyTrey Member Posts: 4,819 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Silvarien said:
    Trey said:
    Yeah, this would devalue the fuck out of Kyrra's bagpipes, I'd be pissed if I'd won the auction and later they started offering it for way cheaper. Not a terrible idea if there hadn't been that auction though.
    @Trey : it wouldn't devalue Kyrra's bagpipes because her bagpipes would still be unique in their existence. The items I proposed are artefact versions of the items Bards used to fight: Lasallian Flute, Lasallian Mandolin, Lasallian Harp, Lasallian Lute, and Lasallian Lyre. I wasn't suggesting bagpipes. If there were bagpipes among these, it wouldn't be because of my suggestion.

    It would, because the bagpipes are unique in that they're the only non-lyre Lasallian item. Adding in more variations would negate that.

  • NimNim Member Posts: 2,015 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Oh, wow. I didn't even consider that auctions might be a factor in not allowing item type customization.

    If that's actually true, that's so ridiculous that, I dunno... wow.
    Jules
  • DaeirDaeir AustraliaMember Posts: 6,296 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Part of the reason why auctions are becoming more scarce on the IRE games as a whole now, I've heard. Shuts out entire avenues of potential cool stuff for other players just so a couple can have a cool thing.
    ShirszaeNimBrean
  • KyrraKyrra AustraliaMember Posts: 4,924 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Trey said:
    Yeah, this would devalue the fuck out of Kyrra's bagpipes, I'd be pissed if I'd won the auction and later they started offering it for way cheaper. Not a terrible idea if there hadn't been that auction though.
    At the time that auction happened, I was in need of a new lyre. The gold that I paid for the bagpipes at the time, when the credit market was what it was at that time, actually resulted in me paying slightly less what a new lyre would have cost me in credits normally.

    I'm not really opposed to the OP, as it would be nice for bards to have some variety to their instruments and still be able to have some awesome utility. I kind of think of it as similar to a Shield of Absorption now. Sure lots of people have them, but for knights they can actually be used for a weaponmastery spec too. Having a variety of different instruments available might just add flavour for some people, especially those prone to being performance orientated, but it would allow bards the double utility.

    Naturally, I'd just want the only bagpipes in existence though.
    (D.M.A.): Cooper says, "Kyrra is either the most innocent person in the world, or the girl who uses the most innuendo seemingly unintentionally but really on purpose."

    Silvarien
  • TreyTrey Member Posts: 4,819 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Oh. For some reason I thought you'd paid way above. Must have just been the cost of Chenubian wings bleeding over. Disregard!

    Kyrra
  • JulesJules Member Posts: 2,169 @ - Epic Achaean
    Daeir said:
    Part of the reason why auctions are becoming more scarce on the IRE games as a whole now, I've heard. Shuts out entire avenues of potential cool stuff for other players just so a couple can have a cool thing.
    Imperian at least, has brought back auctions with a vengeance, and... importantly, they are not just selling novelty items/reskins (that can then of course never be offered for general sale without provoking consternation from people who paid even more wads of cash than we normally do for a harmless text doodad).  They tend to sell genuinely powerful items that are not ever going to be (and likely shouldn't be) generally available.  

    For Silvarien, I also wouldn't call it a "morphing" weapon because the "morphing" here is just changing the skin, and thus not worth the kind of $$$ an actual morph weapon is.  The variation you mention where you would be able to change the skin anytime at will would of course be worth something - but still, it's just text flavor.  It sounds like you're asking for a very sensible flavor thing for bards (which does also leave the uniqueness of one past auction reskin intact), and that probably should have been the case in the first place if they're going to have the option to learn those other instruments at all, because, as you explain, as things stand right now, why would any artied out bard (or aspiring artied out bard) specialize in anything BUT lyre?  Almost no one is going to choose flavor if it means sacrificing mechanics (because it's a crappy tradeoff).  
  • KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the StormMember Posts: 3,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Whether or not the bard has specialised in lyre, they can use the Lasallian lyre for the prismatic shield effect. The lyre doesn't need to be wielded to strum it, it can even be worn!

    This is such a non-issue really, there's no difference in the specialisations aside from flavour.

    Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
    TharvisJules
  • JulesJules Member Posts: 2,169 @ - Epic Achaean
    Ah, I understood the IDEA (and responses) as being rooted in a frustration at being sort of pushed into the lyre (if you want the advantages of the lyre).  If that's not the case, why do you guys still want the change (because you're right, if it works that way, just buy a cheap instrument and don't wield the lyre if I'm understanding your post correctly)?
  • NizanaNizana Member Posts: 68 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    I specialized in mandolin. If I got a lyre, I'll just RP learning how to play the Lyre for RP purposes but I'll still rock out the mandolin for PK. (( Only because Klendathu says it doesn't need to be wielded to use the lyre. ))

    If this proves false.. I'll sigh exasperatedly and re-spec into lyre.

    Also, can you wear an instrument while you're wearing the lyre? I know I can wear my instrument at the moment, by itself.

  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, FloridaMember Posts: 5,147 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited May 2015
    Speaking as a non-bard who has 'training' (not mechanical obv) in a couple of instruments, I would bye a Lasallian harp in a heartbeat. And custom the heck out of it. 
    And I love too                                                                          Be still, my indelible friend
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  • KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the StormMember Posts: 3,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Melodie said:
    Speaking as a non-bard who has 'training' (not mechanical obv) in a couple of instruments, I would bye a Lasallian harp in a heartbeat. And custom the heck out of it. 
    Just bear with me whilst I lug this big ass instrument in there. Might as well have a Lasallian grand piano!

    Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, FloridaMember Posts: 5,147 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited May 2015
    Edit: On further research, seems I had the term 'lyre' confused with something else.

    That said, my sentiment remains, considering all the huge things adventurers tug around (including mounts).
    And I love too                                                                          Be still, my indelible friend
    That love soon might end                                                         You are unbreaking
    And be known in its aching                                                      Though quaking
    Shown in this shaking                                                             Though crazy
    Lately of my wasteland, baby                                                 That's just wasteland, baby
  • KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the StormMember Posts: 3,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Is that not a lyre?

    Pictures of lyres

    Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo DomingoMember Posts: 3,357 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Jules said:
    Ah, I understood the IDEA (and responses) as being rooted in a frustration at being sort of pushed into the lyre (if you want the advantages of the lyre).  If that's not the case, why do you guys still want the change (because you're right, if it works that way, just buy a cheap instrument and don't wield the lyre if I'm understanding your post correctly)?
    Its just a matter of flavour, as Klen said earlier. Also, think of it this way. If they allowed Lassalian harps or other instruments besides Lyres, people would be able to get them, custom them to their liking, and that would be the end of it, instead of having to lug about two different instruments. 

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

    Jules
  • JulesJules Member Posts: 2,169 @ - Epic Achaean
    Ah, okay.  Yes, neat inventories are actually important to a lot of people (and yeah, the non-bard people also seem excited about it). 
  • KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the StormMember Posts: 3,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Klendathu already carries around a lyre and a warhorn, considering respecialising to a flute and maybe getting a shaman's drum... 



    Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
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  • AustereAustere TennesseeMember Posts: 2,341 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Klendathu said:
    Klendathu already carries around a lyre and a warhorn, considering respecialising to a flute and maybe getting a shaman's drum... 


    Is a banjo one of the options?  Would almost consider it if my title could be "Hillbilly of the North". In all seriousness,  I doubt they allow a morphing instrument.  I would love to have just about any instrument besides a lyre, though.  It makes me feel uppity. 
  • KryptonKrypton shi-KhurenaMember Posts: 2,377 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Forget prismatic barrier.

    SQUEEZE BAGPIPES should instantly slay the wielder and anybody else within 5 rooms of the instrument, and give everyone else in the area lapsingconsciousness + nausea.
    Silvarien
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