THE BEST

Jovolo

Name: 

Top 5 best of all time, 
Top 5 current best, 
Best in each class of all time, 
Best currently in each class. 

:^) 

And go. 

(I'll post my list later)

Rom

Jovolo said:

Apostate: Mizik

Bard: Mizik

Blademaster: Mizik

Druid: Mizik

Jester: Mizik

Infernal: Mizik

Magi: Mizik

Monk: Mizik

Occultist: Mizik

Paladin: Mizik

Priest: Mizik

Runewarden: Mizik

Shaman: Mizik

Sentinel: Mizik

Serpent: Mizik

Sylvan: Mizik

Do you even forum? wow.

I've got your back.

Jovolo

You're missing:

1. Mizik
2. Mizik
3. Mizik
4. Mizik
5. Fez

Seftin

Everyones relatively shit at combat.

Kafziel

Nice of you to name a thread after me, @Jovolo

Trey

Best of all time is very hard to gauge only because of the level of curing we see now. I remember @Cain being terrifying as a Serpent, but then I remember playing during a time when having a paralysis trigger and sipping automatically meant you were the shit.

Santar

Took me forever to figure out how to sip automatically on Zmud. But once I did, man, damage classes were cake.

Antidas

Jovolo said:

You're missing:

5. Fez

RIP

Mizik

Jovolo said:

Name: 

Top 5 best of all time
1. Tanris
2. Jhui
3. Mizik
4. Santar
5. Tirac

Top 5 current best
1. Jhui
2. Mizik
3. Santar
4. Xinna
5. Seragorn

Best in each class of all time
Best currently in each class. 

• Alchemist: Proficy
• Apostate: Chiam
• Bard: Xinna
• Blademaster: Atalkez
• Druid: 
• Infernal: Elazar
• Jester: Tesha
• Magi: Jhui
• Monk: Ainly
• Occultist: Seragorn
• Paladin: Morthif
• Priest: 
• Runewarden: Exelethril
• Sentinel: Iakimen
• Serpent: Mizik
• Shaman: Dunn
• Sylvan: Darkender

Sarapis

I'd agree with @Trey and say a meaningful comparison is impossible. There's no comparing people fighting with auto-curing and full systems to people manual-ing. The two are different games, and there's a huge spectrum in between. Some of you good with systems would have gotten crushed in the earlier days, and the reverse is equally true. 

The other problem is that 'the game' has changed immensely. It's not like baseball or something, where a rule change that is impactful comes along only every decade or two. 

Mishgul

Best what. Best buddies?

Sarapis

No, not best buddies. Something much more sacred, apparently. Best bros.

Saeva

Let me set the mood for you.

Jovolo

Sarapis said:

I'd agree with @Trey and say a meaningful comparison is impossible. There's no comparing people fighting with auto-curing and full systems to people manual-ing. The two are different games, and there's a huge spectrum in between. Some of you good with systems would have gotten crushed in the earlier days, and the reverse is equally true. 

The other problem is that 'the game' has changed immensely. It's not like baseball or something, where a rule change that is impactful comes along only every decade or two. 

This is true, but there are also people that managed to compete in both eras. Carmain, Jhui, Rangor and Santar come to mind. Although perhaps not of the "true" manual era, we're speaking a difference in automation level of a decade

Santar

Think you've got the Santar/Mizik combo inverted in those lists.

Otherwise, pretty good list.

Nakari

Even if a true comparison of skill isn't possible, I think it's interesting to see how people's legacies continue, and that's as much what something like this shows.

Mishgul

I don't know what best means, because it is v. subjective. If you mean like top people that would be most scared of fighting of all time, if they were fighting with the knowledge they had at the time, the list is something like.

1. Rennyn
2. Dumah
3. Santar
4. Jarrel
5. Rangor
6. Kandor
7. Sabiru

These are the people that made it hard to fight back at all. I got them a few times, but the w/l ratio was so hugely in their favour that psychologically it was difficult to fight them.

I don't really rate anyone these days. I don't think there are many people around now that I would consider worth fighting, either because they are too easy, or I have to make the fight boring to avoid losing/winning, and definitely not a lot of people who I would rate the knowledge of because they would rely too heavily on half truths and whatever svo/wundersys/omnipave/serverside cures for them.

Rating people by class is dumb, because matching classes has too much of a rock/paper/scissors element to it for me to judge properly.

Tael

Sarapis said:

Some of you good with systems would have gotten crushed in the earlier days

What was it about the early days that would have gotten system people crushed? It seems like it would just have been an even larger advantage back then.

I thought it was just more that there were not such people with so much sophistication (probably related to the fact that clients weren't as easy to make complex systems in either).

Mishgul

There were also a lot of abilities back then that were ridiculous and you could not gain an advantage with code over. Bombs, oblit, balanceless soulmaster, groves generally, imbibe, triplejab, artied dragon monk, artied occie etc.

Tahquil

Seragorn would beat Tanris for Occultist?

Jovolo

Seragorn is only in the current lists, Tanris would take the all time spot. Especially if we're talking about old occultist - Tanris didn't try the new Occultist as he'd already left so it's hard to compare the two in terms of who would perform best nowadays.

My lists-

Top 5 of all time: (Judged by how good they were in their time, so relative skill and knowledge)
1. Manu 
2. Dumah
3. Rennyn
4. Carmain
5. Jarrel

(Very honourable mentions - Santar, Jhui, Mizik, Tanris, Rameus)

Current top 5 (in terms of knowledge/skill/execution):
1. Jhui
2. Santar
3. Mizik (I put Santar above if Mizik is still Serpent, otherwise not sure)
4. Ayoxele
5. Xinna

Mishgul

Don't think you can compare them. Different times, different mechanics. Tanris would probably have run out of herbs/vials mid duel also, like he usually does.

Tahquil

and then he'll be like "Uh, out of curatives.. better stop playing about" and kill you.

Ognog

There are a couple of names that seem to be missing from the all time rankings people are coming out with, though I don't know where they fit. Poergh and Tekumza come to mind.

Tanris at the top is indisputable.

Mishgul

I never had many problems against Tanris but he did play a crap class I guess and did well raiding.

Jovolo

Poergh might make it into a top 20 or top 30 of all time list, but I don't think they'd break top 5. Tanris at the very top of 1v1 is disputable imo, but he'd walk onto any top raiders of all time list with ease. 

Mishgul

Poergh was okay but she did have more ents than the average occie. That one that impaled was the worst.

Makarios

I'm gonna let you guys finish but

Bal'met was the greatest of all time. Undisputable.

Mishgul

Hermes used vengeance. Secret necromancer.

Ognog

Jovolo said:

Tanris at the very top of 1v1 is disputable imo, but he'd walk onto any top raiders of all time list with ease. 

I guess saying something is indisputable is just asking for someone to dispute it, haha!

It's definitely his raiding prowess that I was thinking of.

I'm really hoping Tanris' soul is still among us somehow. So hope he didn't just hang up his waterwalking boots and walk away.

Mishgul

i dunno, i think he would need his waterwalking boots, he might accidentally walk into an ocean.