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  • SynbiosSynbios Member Posts: 4,561 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Makarios said:

    I'm going to have to admit my ignorance about what demesnes are, unfortunately.

    I can safely say there are significant drawbacks to using them in group cenarios, though.


    In Lusternia, mages and druids have the ability to create demesnes in pretty much the same manner as Reclamation - find a spot, create demesne, expand demesne from there. While in the demesne, a mage/druid can conjure various demesne-wide effects, much like reclaimed areas.

  • CynlaelCynlael Member Posts: 3,257 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    ^ From experience, and looking at all the abilities and how they function.. Can safely say there's no drawback to using them in a group scenario. Much the same way that there's zero drawback to using an Inferno in MKO. Defending team with them, if they have a holder of it that knows what they're doing, can rarely ever lose.

  • SkyeSkye The Duchess BellatereMember, Seafaring Liason Posts: 2,809 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    On the clouds (indoors).
    Vines have overtaken this location. A ladder of long, soft leaves comprises a
    wispy Weaver's Fern along the ground. A nebulous water weird is here.  The
    Silver Dragon Skarash's imposing form looms.
    You see exits leading north, northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west,
    northwest, up, down, and in.





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  • SarathaiSarathai Member Posts: 2,139 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I'm not seeing the problem.
    - (Eleusis): Ellodin says, "The Fissure of Echoes is Sarathai's happy place."
    - With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
    - (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
    - Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
    - Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."



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  • JovoloJovolo EnglandMember Posts: 3,154 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    It's somewhat surprisin they van be used at a place like clouds
  • SarathaiSarathai Member Posts: 2,139 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Not really. I mean, you can already set traps up there (hang them off clouds?), prop totems (in what, a surprisingly-solid cloud?), and do all sorts of stuff that doesn't really make all that much sense without the "it's magic" excuse.
    - (Eleusis): Ellodin says, "The Fissure of Echoes is Sarathai's happy place."
    - With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
    - (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
    - Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
    - Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."



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  • KyrraKyrra Sanctum of the SkyMember Posts: 4,802 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    @Sarathai, you know that propping totems isn't the same as implanted, right? It requires a person to hold the totem and it's not an independent ability like the other examples are.
    (D.M.A.): Cooper says, "Kyrra is either the most innocent person in the world, or the girl who uses the most innuendo seemingly unintentionally but really on purpose."

  • SarathaiSarathai Member Posts: 2,139 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Kyrra said:
    @Sarathai, you know that propping totems isn't the same as implanted, right? It requires a person to hold the totem and it's not an independent ability like the other examples are.
    You can implant them up there too, can't you?
    - (Eleusis): Ellodin says, "The Fissure of Echoes is Sarathai's happy place."
    - With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
    - (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
    - Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
    - Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."



  • KyrraKyrra Sanctum of the SkyMember Posts: 4,802 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Sarathai said:
    Kyrra said:
    @Sarathai, you know that propping totems isn't the same as implanted, right? It requires a person to hold the totem and it's not an independent ability like the other examples are.
    You can implant them up there too, can't you?
    Negative. No implanting and no raido runes.
    (D.M.A.): Cooper says, "Kyrra is either the most innocent person in the world, or the girl who uses the most innuendo seemingly unintentionally but really on purpose."

  • JovoloJovolo EnglandMember Posts: 3,154 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Sarathai said:
    Not really. I mean, you can already set traps up there (hang them off clouds?), prop totems (in what, a surprisingly-solid cloud?), and do all sorts of stuff that doesn't really make all that much sense without the "it's magic" excuse.
    I wasn't talking in terms of realism but balance. Traps are in no way equal in power to reclamation and neither are propped totems, not to mention you can't implant totems there either.
  • SarathaiSarathai Member Posts: 2,139 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited March 2015
    Kyrra said:
    Sarathai said:
    Kyrra said:
    @Sarathai, you know that propping totems isn't the same as implanted, right? It requires a person to hold the totem and it's not an independent ability like the other examples are.
    You can implant them up there too, can't you?
    Negative. No implanting and no raido runes.
    Didn't know that (never had totems and don't have wings to use Skies). My mistake, then - bad example.
    - (Eleusis): Ellodin says, "The Fissure of Echoes is Sarathai's happy place."
    - With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
    - (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
    - Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
    - Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."



  • KuyKuy Member Posts: 1,497 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    The "it's new let's wait to see if it's OP" is not a good stance to have when there are glaring issues with a skill's group presence. Frankly, any time one side is able to have a significant terrain advantage with little counter play (five firelashes a room is not counter play), there's an issue.

    Put a limit on the number of rooms you can reclaim at one time (can even add an artefact to increase this) and make it easier for an opponent to declaim a room (one firelash if owner is not present, two if they are) will make it far more palatable.

    side note: Even if every skill also affects your allies, you still have the advantage of controlling those skills. Unless there is a significant chance to mess your own group up (which there may be, pending various things), this isn't as much as a drawback as there needs to be.
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  • MishgulMishgul ROTHERHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMember Posts: 5,314 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    have you fought against/with this ability yet

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  • GrandueGrandue Member Posts: 382 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    I love all the "that looks way cooler than my skills but I can't switch so I must jump on a bandwagon trying to get the skill nerfed so it isn't as cool even though I've no experience fighting against it nor do I even know anyone who does" comments. It makes this such an informed and exhilarating game. 
  • AlaskarAlaskar Member Posts: 393 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    So five people with fire lash rings can't just all simultaneously use firelash? I mean, it's not like firelash is some super exclusive, faction specific ability. 

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  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, FloridaMember Posts: 4,934 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I always felt OOC bad about exterminations. 

    Don't feel bad about exterming these vines, though. :D
    "You have had an extraordinary adventure, my dear. Extraordinary! One that few people could ever imagine. Treasure it. Keep it safe and secure, tucked away in some special place in your heart. 

    But... don't spend the rest of your days chasing a ghost."
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  • GerasGeras Member Posts: 28 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Why are there vines on the clouds? Is it like Jack and the Beanstalk? There's treasure to be had now in areas "Above the clouds"? :open_mouth: 
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  • KryptonKrypton shi-KhurenaMember Posts: 2,377 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    @Makarios

    What is the natural "decay" rate of reclaimed rooms (which begins presumably after the reclaimer has left the Realms)? I thought at first reclaimed rooms would be like wormholes, in that they stuck around until a person actively removes them, but of course now it occurs to me how OP that would be, haha.

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  • KyriellaKyriella Member Posts: 260 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited March 2015
    Krypton said:

    @Makarios

    What is the natural "decay" rate of reclaimed rooms (which begins presumably after the reclaimer has left the Realms)? I thought at first reclaimed rooms would be like wormholes, in that they stuck around until a person actively removes them, but of course now it occurs to me how OP that would be, haha.

    Anecdotal data-- logging out for 7 hours means your reclaimed rooms are no longer reclaimed. Not sure when they actually reverted, though.
  • CaladbolgCaladbolg Campbell County TNMember Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited March 2015
    Kuy said:
    The "it's new let's wait to see if it's OP" is not a good stance to have when there are glaring issues with a skill's group presence. Frankly, any time one side is able to have a significant terrain advantage with little counter play (five firelashes a room is not counter play), there's an issue.

    Put a limit on the number of rooms you can reclaim at one time (can even add an artefact to increase this) and make it easier for an opponent to declaim a room (one firelash if owner is not present, two if they are) will make it far more palatable.

    side note: Even if every skill also affects your allies, you still have the advantage of controlling those skills. Unless there is a significant chance to mess your own group up (which there may be, pending various things), this isn't as much as a drawback as there needs to be.
    To be fair, I don't think Achaea is doing the let's wait to see if it's OP stance, they've been testing this and working on it for prob 2-3 years if not longer. What we are getting is the I don't think we can do much better setup.


    Oh the other hand with Eleusis' main class branch being changed like this it makes the game world slightly difficult because even if something isn't over powered it still seems like it when you don't understand how it works and how to avoid it.

    But unlike every other factions classes, Eleusis has 3, which all just got reworked.
    Targ has 2 and Priest is getting reworked all the time because it's to hard to balance.
    Paladin got reworked, but it's the same as all the other knights basically.

    Infernal got reworked as well as Paladin.
    Apostate isn't getting majorly reworked as I have seen.

    Occultist got a huge rework awhile back, with slight nerfs here and there.

    that's actually it for factional classes isn't it.

  • KuyKuy Member Posts: 1,497 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    All I'm saying is entrenchment combat sucks the fun out of any group combat situation, let alone entrenchment combat that requires five people to properly combat against.
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  • AmranuAmranu Member Posts: 725 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    The effects of reclamation don't discriminate between enemies and allies, except for some targetted abilities which have cooldowns, I don't think entrenchment is going to be a big deal
    Rom
  • PenwizePenwize Member Posts: 1,452 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Amranu said:
    The effects of reclamation don't discriminate between enemies and allies, except for some targetted abilities which have cooldowns, I don't think entrenchment is going to be a big deal
    I don't think that sounded nearly reactionary or knee-jerky enough.  Try again!
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  • KuyKuy Member Posts: 1,497 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Amranu said:
    The effects of reclamation don't discriminate between enemies and allies, except for some targetted abilities which have cooldowns, I don't think entrenchment is going to be a big deal
    Which abilities?
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  • AmranuAmranu Member Posts: 725 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    The AB files are posted, please tell me you're not ranting about a skill you haven't even read the ab files on when they're readily available.
  • RomRom Member Posts: 523 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited March 2015
    http://pastebin.com/CVVLcsWe <- from Naverre
    For some greater clarity regarding balance:
    All assuming Nimble, balance only tested once per ability at the time of this posting
    Beginning and expanding takes a few seconds of balance and you have to pause all actions during both.
    Takes varying time based on environment, but it is 3 seconds of balance to expand and 4 seconds of balance to begin a fresh one.

    Relinquishing takes a ~2.3 seconds of balance and can be done anywhere.

    Forestwalk is about ~2.8s balance, stopped by mono.

    Turning on lash takes ~4s balance, hits everyone except caster and lasts about 90 seconds. Haven't tested damage type much but I'll guess cutting, was hitting about 5%/10s on Iakimen who had a TF, barkskin, etc.

    Turning on Sleepspores takes ~4s balance, hits everyone except caster with single ticks of sleep once ever 10 seconds. <-Does not hit those with BREATHING defense.

    Knowledge takes ~3.1s balance, detects everyone that is standing on your reclaimed land, and can only be used while standing on reclaimed land. Have not tested with phase/blackwind.

    Omniscience takes ~4.4s balance, detects and alerts every time anyone talks into a reclaimed room, PER ROOM, so it gets very spammy. You do not have to be standing on reclaimed land to sense, but you do have to begin sensing from reclaimed land.It detects souls, burrowed people, flying people, does not detect evading people. I haven't tested phase/blackwind.

    Consume takes ~4s balance to begin, and will tick at intervals to consume corpses, not sure on the intervals since I have not tested.

    Constrict takes ~3s balance, can only be used on reclaimed land of course. The writhe time for this is always either 2s or 3s, just like Hydra Bind. Also like Hydra Bind, it has a 12 second internal cooldown

    Turning on Poisonspores takes ~4s balance, hits everyone except caster for venom damage that has hit most people for about 8%/10 likely due to their resists. <-Does not hit those with BREATHING defense.

    Turning on Pollen takes ~4s balance, hits everyone except caster for asphyix damage that has hit most people for about 10%/10. <-Does not hit those with BREATHING defense.

    Turning on Refresh takes ~4s balance, heals everyone including caster 10%/10s and last about 90 seconds. <-Does not hit those with BREATHING defense.

    Ward is a balanceless defense that allows the reclaimed room the owner is standing in to be un-killable.

    Embrace takes ~2.8s balance, and is an instakill. It can be used on your reclaimed land or adjacent to it. Requires both of their arms and legs to require restoration salve curing (full breaks!).

    Wrath takes ~4.6s balance and explodes all of your reclaimed land. You have to be standing on the land to do this, and it will hit you too! I hit myself with it for 38%, and it hits through both lyre and shield.


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  • ValariaValaria Member Posts: 400 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited March 2015
    it seem that most of those reclamation are useless if one does hold breath. ALso, in my opinion, I think forestwalk cooldown should be reduced...

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  • AustereAustere TennesseeMember Posts: 2,229 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Embrace requirements seem a bit ridiculous. ..useful if they don't know about serverside healing or are just dumb, i guess. 
  • RomRom Member Posts: 523 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited March 2015
    Embrace is totally doable. Assuming they are curing normally and aren't blacked out or something, then it basically requires using shatter at least once which is probably why they made quarterstaff shatter-viable. You can break head for torc, but the only way to break head realistically is using bash with quarterstaff since Hydra doesn't have a Headclamp. This makes rebounding an issue, so have to time around that if they have that option. Can get around arc too by changing up the breaks, but won't get past Basilisk gaze!
    Have to keep in mind that Druid preps very fast and can bypass parry entirely. Also note that you can use Embrace immediately after using clamp.

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    ^ Example kill using most basic setup.

    EDIT: Forgot to mention in my previous post that all of those reclamation abilities can be toggled off without using balance, and can be toggled off without being inside reclaimed area.

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  • VhaedrynVhaedryn Member Posts: 3
    Caladbolg said:


    Oh the other hand with Eleusis' main class branch being changed like this it makes the game world slightly difficult because even if something isn't over powered it still seems like it when you don't understand how it works and how to avoid it.

    Except @Kuy does understand it and how it works, probably better than most people here because he's had to deal with those same exact mechanics for years. Don't discount his experience with demesne mechanics simply because it's a new skill. His points are very valid and this kind of mechanic ha been shown to be extremely unhealthy for combat as a whole in the other IRE games that have it.
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