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Passive Bedevil discussion
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Active bedevil gives something like 50% of your afflictions back to your opponent, whilst healing ALL of your afflictions, for a relatively small equilibrium cost (3 secs eq or so) that can be combo'd with disrupt.
Passive bedevil, against an affliction class, passively afflicts your opponent with an affliction approximately every 2 seconds.
They are both incredibly powerful.
My
God
I would drop 50 credits (25 to each?) to see this. Maybe then Ernam can buy his admin forum control that he claims people have, and Xinna can buy a new carapace cuz gurl you naaaasty.
Consider curare/paralysis is the staple on every round of affliction based classes. There's a 50% chance that every time you attack, paralysis will be stuck on you for 2.4s, ON TOP of their peace.
Why bother?
Active Bedevil: one of their full heals, along with the heavily defended Sacrifice. Except this one transfers afflictions to the opponent with no cap on how many. They still have rite of Healing as a novelty, since they can select an affliction to heal at any time with Heal. Keep in mind, they can still eat/smoke/salve like the rest of us ordinary classes.
It's a train wreck.
Fitness, by definition, is inherently better in every possible way to any Priest healing ability in that it has a balance associated with it making it not reliably forceable by the 2-3 classes that would/could benefit from forcing it. Despite not being able able to be used with weariness, or double its balance with lethargy.
If you'd take the time to read the OP, you'd see that you're wrong and priests literally -cannot- benefit in any way from bedevil being active against an affliction class if they, themselves, did not put it up without it being forced.
/sarcasm
Also I don't believe having 12 below mediocre combat capable characters who class hop to the flavour of the month provides you with more credibility when discussing PvP. You clearly have no understanding of how Serpent works even though you have played the class. You gained some notoriety when the new class changes went in and people didn't fully understand the mechanics but I'm sure that did not last very long.
Having a poor argument ensconced in mightily fine words only serves to establish that you are attempting to divert attention from the matter at hand by attempting to sound intelligent, which you aren't doing a great job of, by the way.
I'm not going to bother explaining to you how things work since countless other people have taken time out of their day to respond to this drivel and I firmly stand by the belief that arguing with an idiot is pointless as they just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Edit: Also I'm not in the ACC either even though I believe I know more about PvP than 99% of people who play the game, I fully understand the reason why I am not a part of the ACC and that is because I'm immature, volatile and respond in a demeaning and belittling fashion to people who don't understand simple logic (they don't deserve it but I cannot help myself). The fact that you're not a part of the ACC, don't understand why, with your meagre capabilities and then hinting that the reason is because it is dominated by Ashtani is simply ridiculous. Your behaviour is so unacceptable that even if the ACC was full of obnoxious Jarrels, we still wouldn't accept you.
I hardly ever get to fight 1v1 like I prefer either, it's usually 1vmultiple.
Citation: Santar.
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
Two full pages of people elaborating on how wrong I am, without a single god damn person explaining why, unless you count various paraphrases of "You are wrong, but I don't know why." * the big exceptions here are the several (empirically) false assertions made up on the spot as as evidence (see below).
Also, the pure amount of completely made up numbers that have been generated in the last page is mind boggling.
Basically, both of those numbers are flat out wrong, and as an experienced Priest, you should know that they are nowhere close to true. Thankfully, I provided the actual (measured) numbers several times already, which are remarkably lower, particularly in the late combat phase when the probability of passive bedevil reflecting something they don't already have drops to near zero. (for example's sake, if a venomlocked player were able to attack a priest with passive bedevil up, and was attempting a venom lock, there would be a 0% chance that a single affliction "reflected" would actually afflict them with something new. In actuality, a venomlocked player can't attack, which accounts for why effective proc chance drops to near zero, but never reaches it, unless the player is not using paralysis, in which case it can actually reach 0%).
I explained quite accurately how a serpent with only three afflictions attempting to venomlock a priest can experience a passive bedevil proc rate of 7.9%, which is a 100% realistic example that actually occurs in the game on a regular basis.
What this actually results in is an affliction every 3-4 seconds in early combat, but rapidly approaches something that'd more accurately be described as "they probably won't receive any, at all", as quickly as 4-6 seconds into a fight. This is pretty different than 50%, and unlike the numbers you provided, I explained exactly how I generated them, and have observed them in actual fights (as have yourselves).
The statistics can be skewed by repeatedly and intentionally afflicting with afflictions that you yourself do not have, which effectively maximizes the chance of being afflicted by passive bedevil. They can also be skewed by always using afflictions that you do have which quite literally cancels out the defense entirely. These are the two extremes of the statisics, but was explained, what serpents tend to actually use falls very near the low end, purely due to the fact that serpents generally lead with the same afflictions that most priests open with (a kelp stack, and paralysis).
I truly am touched by the chorus of "You're an idiot." and "You're wrong, but I can't be bothered to explain why.", or @Jarrel's lengthy "I'd just like to drop in to remind everyone that I am the Jesus of combat, and oh, on a side note, Ernam is an idiot, who is wrong, but I can't be bothered to explain why."
Unfortunately for the sizable list of people who seem to be incapable of objectively listening to a word I say, I am not going to just accept that my argument is not valid, purely because you are expressing that you don't like me.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Anyway, calling people out for this behavior does work now, because an adult will come in and separate all of the little children. Seen it happen quite recently even. And as this is Golden Dais, yeah
Shecks is not a bard, so all this is kindof silly.
[removed, in vague hope at ending this massive derail]
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Xinna flatly refused to fight me, in any form, up until I quit monk, because she publically stated that I was just an "loldamage" monk with no skill, who only won literally every single prior matchup with her because of how broken monk is. (lets see if I can find the log of me triple-torso comboing her 4 times in a row, then winning with an "overpowered" level 2 torso break BBT).
I have since won multiple fights with her as Blademaster and Priest, as well. As it turns out, not everyone in the game dies to Minuet gimmicks, particularly after the blatantly broken mechanic she was using to win was hotfixed.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Discuss the topic of the thread, please. If all you have to contribute is calling me a liar, then just hit the "back" button, and stay there.
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