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Anyone ever get ignored for a RP IC problem?
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option #3: t Jinsun If you're impatient with me again, you'll find your money in your lungs.
option #4: t Jinsun I know you think I'm as fast at paying out as you are in bed, but alas not.
I personally just shrug my shoulders if someone is ignored or ignoring me. You'll get in trouble for trying to contact then to make ammends, or you're wasting valuable time. Just get over it and move on. No issue with the system.
Like anything, ignore is not perfect. The Issue system so often used in conjunction with it is not perfect. The people who monitor those issues are not perfect. Etc. That's why it is important to at least try to use it with a huge heaping of common sense.
Album of Bluef during her time in Achaea
Like if everything else was the same, but like, "sup, I see you have my ring, have some tea," says the corrupted spirit of the east. And then they discuss politics. "Yeah, Gondor just made him king, like, they don't even know if he's qualified, they just do it. You would think after a few centuries, their government would have evolved a bit!"
My complaint: that someone in this thread did just that. So sorry that I mentioned a pertinent example. As we've quoted and chatted on forums, I don't really think it's trying to get around the ignore. We clearly can communicate at least somewhat calmly here, and I'm not trying to contact him ICly.
The vast majority of those who roleplay Evil or Chaos are actually civil when they're not trying to kill or rob you (and some of them are still civil while doing that). And I'm not a dick to Evil/Chaotic players, I still start my tells with "Greetings" or "Hail" and thanked Proficy for buying my bridle. There is a baseline of politeness that is sensible. And if some people don't want to ascribe to that baseline, well, that's fine, but I don't particularly want to interact with those people. And I don't have to. There's plenty of Ashtanis and Mhaldorians who aren't out to make my experience worse. I can save my energy for those people.
I think the above is a very, very blurred line. After all, take, like, any Mhaldorian. There's a whole culture of subjugation, murder, and just general S&M stuff to be found there. That doesn't mean they actually want to do that IRL, but clearly they enjoy roleplaying it out, or else they'd probably not be in the city.
Personally, I love when Nim gets angry, because she's so ineffectual at it, but like, she's like this dog that has a really silly bark but her fangs actually are kinda sharp, but she's on a leash known as Cyrene, so she usually doesn't actually bite people. There's totally a chance I'll enjoy an interaction that will just ruin someone's day somehow, especially if she were to, like, go to another city for some reason or otherwise lose the leash.
Will I enjoy it? Probably, or else I wouldn't do it. Did I just ruin your day? Apparently. Would I have done it if I knew it would've ruined your day? Probably not. Will I ask OOCly if you're OK with it in advance? Probably not, a lot of people like spontaneity in their roleplay here, so that might ruin your day instead!
tl;dr: If someone's ruining your day, tell them so, it may work wonders.
Players who are from those factions - or any other because believe me, I've encountered some rude ass people from Targ too - who want to roleplay a certain demeanor, usually aloof, emotionally detached, etc. are certainly more polite than others. But it's a huge leap from that to "There is a baseline of politeness that is sensible." Sensible to who?
A gleam-addicted, occultist who believes the world is ending is not going to bother saying please and thank you anymore than a Targossian who thinks your are just a fly on the manure pile working against their version of a Good in Achaea will. I would personally much rather have people be true to their roleplayed selves than attempt to ascribe to any basis that has them stepping outside of their character to tell me hello in a way that would be considered 'polite.' Does that mean they can/should scream profanity in my ear or use slurs of any kind?
No. But if a gleam addict entered my book and won, I'd expect some level of urgency on his part to get his money (so he could go out and buy more gleam with it). When Bluef is snubbed in public (and believe me it happens frequently) people usually send me a tell or msg letting me know their rude behavior is toward her not me and explain why. This furthers our interactions because I can appreciate the effort they're putting into hating her and actually makes me want to interact with them more in an attempt to turn around their character's opinion of her, if possible.
Album of Bluef during her time in Achaea
The admins probably do not want super problem players in their game, but if you just ignore them and hope they'll go away, said super problem players will remain.
Of course, I will admit that a lot of people can mistakenly identify someone as being a huge, huge problem when it's really just bad circumstances, they had a bad day, whatever else, but if I give you the benefit of the doubt and such, then I dunno, it sounds like you saw a huge problem and went "nope, someone else's problem."
Which is fine, it's a game, but it's a largely player-run game. Even a lot of the admins could still be classified as players in a sense.
sorry, had to do it. Please carry on.
On topic: They don't have to be polite, but they can. There's always room for a polite but deadly villain.
What you described was completely innocuous and perfectly in-character. You initiated contact (by soliciting bets) and he said one kinda sorta snippy thing. That is not, by any possible stretch of the imagination, grounds for IGNORE.
IGNORE is for harassment. It is not for blacklisting people you don't feel like interacting with. It isn't just a meaningless little thing to be used whenever you decide you don't like someone's character. It is not the same as blocking someone on Skype - being IGNOREd is an OOC mechanic that constrains the in-character actions the other person can take in the game.
What you are describing is exactly the problem this thread (and countless complaints about snub/ignore in the past) have been about. IGNORE is supposed to be used for serious, primarily OOC things. Frankly, what you described using it for should probably be issueable.
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As for me, I've only been snubbed once or twice. The vast majority of the time, if I think I might be bugging someone OOCly, I'll send an OOC tell or message just to make sure things are okay and people are clear that this is only IC. A little bit of discretion and some communication go a long way.
If he finds me and wants to rob me, that's fine. If he wants to attack me when he has reason to, that's also fine. If he just wants to shoot verbal diarrhea my way, no thanks.
The other was from me ignoring them first and they figured out that if I have them ignored, they couldn't cause me grief - and was an entirely different issue that ended up being the only issue I've ever done against someone in 9~ years. Definitely not going to talk about that here, though.
I once ignored someone because they were purposefully baiting/insulting me on constantly on an OOC clan to try and piss me off. While normally I can take a good ribbing like anyone else, I was in a bad way and they continued despite me telling them to stop and leave me be, so I ignored them for about 3-4 irl days. After that, I removed it, for which they seemed grateful and never tried to do to me (on purpose) ever again, at least not to the same degree.
While people do use it frivolously, I've always found that the best way to approach this is to simply teach people about why IGNORE exists, and what it should and shouldn't be used for, and use a more social influence to have people use it properly. There will always be bad cases, of course, because there's always petty/silly people. But such can be minimized, and for the sake of true OOC harassment (something I've experienced), it is best to leave IGNOREs, and moreover issues, in place and accessible without having to "prove yourself" that you've been offended.
Edit: Also, speaking as someone who gets a bit sensitive sometimes (and which I actively try to deal with and improve), some of y'all need a thicker skin, and/or perhaps try to send an OOC message to say you don't appreciate the interaction and asking if they would stop. IGNORE should always, always always always, only be a last resort if all other avenues prove to be useless, not a "I don't like you so go away" button. Gotta put on your big boy/girl panties, folks.
That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
I would unsnub after an hour or so to see if they calmed down and then we would usually have a rematch which I would lose.
ETA: I've been snubbed by a few people over the years though, usually for reasons of which I am unaware and usually by people I've never spoken to or even seen in game.
This is the part where people disagree with you - it's also the part where the admin have (at least in the past) been pretty clear - snub/ignore is not just an "I don't feel like talking to you" button. Or at least it didn't used to be. Admittedly, they removed the cautionary bits that used to be in the helpfile and the command, but the impression they gave was that this was because they were afraid the stigma associated with it was preventing people from using it to stop actual harassment, not because they wanted people to just use it whenever someone says "Pay up" after they win a bet.
Because snubbing people has consequences. If someone blocks you on Skype, that just means you can't talk to them. But blocking someone in a big, player-driven roleplaying game is not the same thing. This is why you have to give a reason. This is why the help file says "Being ignored means the other person doesn't want anything further to do with you, and you're better off just letting it drop at that.", which does largely preclude stealing from you or attacking you (and people have been punished for doing that to people who have snubbed them in the past).
Having the power to tell someone that, despite you being involved in the world and the game, they aren't allowed to interact with you in return (effectively rendering your impact on the world immune to their own), is not something that should be taken as lightly as you seem to have taken it. And that is what IGNORE does, even if you wish it did something else like somehow rendered you able to interact, but somehow deaf or something (though the degree to which someone can meaningfully interact without being able to speak is already pretty questionable). I suppose you can disagree and insist that it should be seen as reasonable to ignore people for minor, IC reasons, but that was the whole point of this thread. That's the reason people are disagreeing with you, not because we've somehow misinterpreted the quite clear reason you snubbed him.
Ignore is an OOC tool. Using it because someone (an enemy even) was rude you ICly should be strongly discouraged. If someone is bugging you OOCly with their IC behaviour, send an OOC tell or something. IGNORE should not be your immediate, go-to solution when someone says literally two words to you, ICly, that you found aggravating.
IGNORE is telling HR that you don't want someone in the company to talk to you anymore. It isn't just blocking a random phone number on your cell phone.
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wtf @Mycen when did this happen
I just have no interest in receiving them, regardless of what you interpret the purpose of ignore to be.
This is not eliminating his ability to attack me. You cannot spin it that way.
E: And for chrissake, stop making analogies that apply to real-life situations because this is a goddamn text adventure.
Ignore is all or nothing, ignoring someone just because you don't feel like talking to them is using it far too lightly.