New Dragon Bashing Grounds

Kross

Thoughts, concerns, feelings, goals?

I personally think it's pretty awesome, save for some minor things that are impossible to stop (Wind gusting you while prone/massed/off balance). Combine that with small nooks and crannies of a wendigo, windviper and wraith and you're gonna have a bad time regardless.

What are your thoughts?

Achimrst

lrn to group, I also think this is awesome I can finally hunt without dragons walking in and killing everything I'm hitting in one hit.

Kross

I raid in a group pretty much daily. I know how to group, thank you.

Me and @Jhui cleared the place including the Rusalka at the bottom of the pit. When I say me and Jhui, I mean I died a bunch to being blown into a room after hitting 2 wraiths, and the room I was blown into had a wendigo and something else in it. Everything chases you, so I had 4 things at once on me while Jhui ran around clearing up my mess in my panic of attempting to run.

Also - Don't reincarnate there if you died. They track like guards .

Achimrst

Kross said:

I raid in a group pretty much daily. I know how to group, thank you.

Me and @Jhui cleared the place including the Rusalka at the bottom of the pit. When I say me and Jhui, I mean I died a bunch to being blown into a room after hitting 2 wraiths, and the room I was blown into had a wendigo and something else in it. Everything chases you, so I had 4 things at once on me while Jhui ran around clearing up my mess in my panic of attempting to run.

Also - Don't reincarnate there if you died. They track like guards .

BECOME HARDCORE!

Cynlael

Kross said:

I raid in a group pretty much daily. I know how to group, thank you.

Me and @Jhui cleared the place including the Rusalka at the bottom of the pit. When I say me and Jhui, I mean I ran around, then the mobs saw @Jhui and spontaneously died when they ran into him.

Also - Don't reincarnate there if you died. They track like guards .

Fixed slight error. One does not simply survive the Jhui.

Ernam

Doesn't seem necessary.  When I decide I feel like bashing, I almost never find any competition over bashing grounds, and I ignore most of the massive bashing areas that already exist (meropis, islands, istarion, moghedu, tenwat).

I'm all for more bashing areas, but for a lot of other reasons than necessity.

Kross

Ernam said:

Doesn't seem necessary.  When I decide I feel like bashing, I almost never find any competition over bashing grounds, and I ignore most of the massive bashing areas that already exist (meropis, islands, istarion, moghedu, tenwat).

I'm all for more bashing areas, but for a lot of other reasons than necessity.

Fair enough, and you're free to not hunt the new area. Achaea is supported by individuals who buy credits, which in turn allow them to employ people to create new game features. This is a new game feature and it's fun to explore and figure things out (Like how to beat the boss guy at the bottom of the fissure).

Plus, the gold and experience is equivalent to conclave era bashing. 500-1200 gold per kill, plenty of things to kill, decent dragon xp.

Ernam

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally for new areas.  Added content, more areas to explore, more quests to solve, more interesting combat terrain, and so on - all good things.  Make it open pk, so it's not another Meropis (ie more areas for people to autobash while AFK for 20 hours straight), and you're going to add more opportunity for legal pvp and shrine warfare (also good things!)

Kross

Ernam said:

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally for new areas.  Added content, more areas to explore, more quests to solve, more interesting combat terrain, and so on - all good things.  Make it open pk, so it's not another Meropis (ie more areas for people to autobash while AFK for 20 hours straight), and you're going to add more opportunity for legal pvp and shrine warfare (also good things!)

I don't think making it open PK is a good idea. There is far too much trouble bashing the place anyways. Like my statement before, I was hitting two things I could tank just fine. Wind blew me while I was off balance into another room where there was a Wendigo and Wraith. They started hitting, and the two vipers i was hitting before rushed in too. Suddenly, without anything to do, I was transfixed, frozen and off bal/eq while trying to tank 2 Deathknight-esque mobs and 2 Morindar-level mobs. Indoors too, so no flying.

Last thing you need to worry about is being radianced trying to escape with the ground coated in ice all over and wind blowing you back into different rooms while 8 mobs follow you because you walked through their room.

Bluef

I love the idea of the dragon bashing ground. To me, this is one more level than that though: It's a dragon faction bashing ground. If you have a lot of dragons in your city you can bash with, you'll probably get to enjoy this spot. If you don't, maybe not as much. 

When I was up there with three other dragons we still struggled to take out the creatures there. I like my bashing to be challenging, but not that challenging. The winds were cool but pretty annoying when they fling you into/out of stacks of windvipers and whatnot. I'm sure everyone will eventually get the hang of the place (although I don't get invited to many hunting parties so who knows if I'll ever see the space again). 

Kresslack

Seems as if there is already substantial risk involved to match the reward of hunting the area without needing to add something like open PK, as Kross mentioned.

Edit: I'd kinda like to some areas that are restricted to higher levels but still more or less require people to group up, such as experienced with the Conclave event.

Tharvis

Kresslack said:

Seems as if there is already substantial risk involved to match the reward of hunting the area without needing to add something like open PK, as Kross mentioned.

Edit: I'd kinda like to some areas that are restricted to higher levels but still more or less require people to group up, such as experienced with the Conclave event.

could argue that the new fissure falls under that category

Jukilian

Lets do it, @Tharvis. Just me and you. We got this.

Kresslack

Tharvis said:

Kresslack said:

Seems as if there is already substantial risk involved to match the reward of hunting the area without needing to add something like open PK, as Kross mentioned.

Edit: I'd kinda like to some areas that are restricted to higher levels but still more or less require people to group up, such as experienced with the Conclave event.

could argue that the new fissure falls under that category

That depends on the mobs and environment. Originally that's exactly how the Conclave areas were handled, until it quickly became apparent that if you weren't a dragon, you were going to have a really bad time. Hence them creating the outposts with some moderately lesser tiered mobs of similar type.

Edit: IIRC, anyone above a certain level could not enter those areas, but anyone could enter the higher level areas at their own risk.

Kross

Kresslack said:

Tharvis said:

Kresslack said:

Seems as if there is already substantial risk involved to match the reward of hunting the area without needing to add something like open PK, as Kross mentioned.

Edit: I'd kinda like to some areas that are restricted to higher levels but still more or less require people to group up, such as experienced with the Conclave event.

could argue that the new fissure falls under that category

That depends on the mobs and environment. Originally that's exactly how the Conclave areas were handled, until it quickly became apparent that if you weren't a dragon, you were going to have a really bad time. Hence them creating the outposts with some moderately lesser tiered mobs of similar type.

Edit: IIRC, anyone above a certain level could not enter those areas, but anyone could enter the higher level areas at their own risk.

I would probably actually be better off bashing the new place in lesser than in Dragon. I'm just as tanky, I have transmute, and I hit faster so I can bail a lot faster than in Dragonform.

That aside, this place is practically exactly like the Conclave places, except with the introduction of things like slick ground and wind that blows you around while on the ground. And chasing, teaming, asshole mobs that even track to you if you move 8 rooms away and reincarnate .

Kresslack

You're going to be the focus of my next Bad Luck Brian meme. I can see it now.

Addama

Yeah, there's plenty of open PK hunting areas already for people who like to live dangerously(tm). 

And from what it sounds like, the place is pretty damned dangerous without JhuiCorp hotdropping six deep on your neck.

Nexes

Kresslack said:

Tharvis said:

Kresslack said:

Seems as if there is already substantial risk involved to match the reward of hunting the area without needing to add something like open PK, as Kross mentioned.

Edit: I'd kinda like to some areas that are restricted to higher levels but still more or less require people to group up, such as experienced with the Conclave event.

could argue that the new fissure falls under that category

That depends on the mobs and environment. Originally that's exactly how the Conclave areas were handled, until it quickly became apparent that if you weren't a dragon, you were going to have a really bad time. Hence them creating the outposts with some moderately lesser tiered mobs of similar type.

Edit: IIRC, anyone above a certain level could not enter those areas, but anyone could enter the higher level areas at their own risk.

I guess I am confused now. Is this fissure dragon only?

Shirszae

No, but you are likely to have a Bad Time(tm) if you are not dragon and go there

Tharvis

Shirszae said:

No, but you are likely to have a Bad Time(tm) if you are not dragon and go there

also a Bad Time™ even if you are a dragon and go there alone!

Ernam

Everything you're describing already exists on several islands, as well as Tenwant, Delos, some of Quisalis, and everything.

In dragonform, LHG is just the right amount of challenge, while still being really high experience, gold, and essence - yet, almost nobody bashes it.  In my experience, what 98% of dragons want to bash are midbie areas, because they don't have to think, etc.

Kross

I haven't bashed any places, island or not, that has wind blow you while you're on the ground standing, that has everything aggro to you on entry, that deepfreezes and transfixes while doing 30% damage in one shot, all at the same time, while indoors (unable to fly). Not sure which areas you've bashed that had -all- of these things going on at once.

Masaryk

Figured it was a dragon bashing ground. Went there anyway to get some exploring done. I was planning on singing melody through the whole place, but ended up dying after about exploring half of it Guess I'll just wait until someone clears it out...

Ernam

@Kross If you interpret what I said as "There are already several bashing grounds that are relatively complex, challenging, and sufficiently limiting such that only dragons or very heavily artied players can bash them", which what I very obviously meant, then I think you'd see that it's quite true.

I'm assuming you understand this, because I know you're a smart dude, which means I have to assume you're intentionally being obtuse.  Like I said, I agree with you that more bashing areas would be nice.  Not sure why you're creating arguments out of thin air when I'm behind you on this one.

Klendathu

Kross said:

That aside, this place is practically exactly like the Conclave places, except with the introduction of things like slick ground and wind that blows you around while on the ground. And chasing, teaming, asshole mobs that even track to you if you move 8 rooms away and reincarnate .

Ernam said:

Everything you're describing already exists on several islands, as well as Tenwant, Delos, some of Quisalis, and everything.

Ernam said:

@Kross If you interpret what I said as "There are already several bashing grounds that are relatively complex, challenging, and sufficiently limiting such that only dragons or very heavily artied players can bash them", which what I very obviously meant, then I think you'd see that it's quite true.

I'm assuming you understand this, because I know you're a smart dude, which means I have to assume you're intentionally being obtuse.  Like I said, I agree with you that more bashing areas would be nice.  Not sure why you're creating arguments out of thin air when I'm behind you on this one.

Why not say "There are already several bashing grounds that are relatively complex, challenging, and sufficiently limiting such that only dragons or very heavily artied players can bash them" instead of "Everything you're describing already exists on several islands, as well as Tenwant, Delos, some of Quisalis, and everything.", then there can be no misinterpretation? Being deliberately obtuse only begets arguments.

This new area is way harder than any of the places you listed, even LHG. Try it before dismissing it.

Kross

Klendathu beat me to my own point. WHY KLENDATHU.

But seriously, he quoted the line from you that I was going to quote.

Ernam said:

Everything you're describing already exists on several islands, as well as Tenwant, Delos, some of Quisalis, and everything.

Everything I described is -not- on several islands, in Tenwat, Delos, Quisalis or anywhere else for that matter. I would compare this entire new area to a dulled down version of the Grand Master of Quisalis (In that they don't hit as hard and don't have 13 different attack modes, but running from them can be futile). That's all.

But yes, by all means try the area before dismissing everyone's viewpoint on it, as well as the area itself.

Klendathu

Kross said:

Klendathu beat me to my own point. WHY KLENDATHU.

I gots yo back. -fistbump-

Aelios

Klendathu said:

Kross said:

Klendathu beat me to my own point. WHY KLENDATHU.

I gots yo back. -fistbump-

Couldn't resist.

Silas

LHG is terrible gold, and not great essence - especially with the short respawns. It just gives phenomenal xp, and is a slightly more engaging area because of the added difficulty.

Kafziel

It has always been my observation that if the xp hasn't accumulated due to not being bashed, LHG is pretty terrible xp for the work required. I remember measuring it during weekranks once and it was barely better than old moghedu

Exelethril

It's more so because LHG is rarely bashed, so the denizens accumulate more exp.