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  • NakariNakari Posts: 596Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Herenicus said:

    Edit: Could set up an organization mirroring the Fellowship of Scarlatti and run a quarterly fictional non-fiction peer review publication to recognize and legitimize scholars.
    Not gonna lie, a scholarly journal that could distribute ideas to all cities would be awesome. I feel like something like that could actually be a really interesting locus for scholarly development and contribution.

    HerenicusSenaBluef
  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western FrontPosts: 1,734Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited November 2014
    Nakari said:
    Herenicus said:

    Edit: Could set up an organization mirroring the Fellowship of Scarlatti and run a quarterly fictional non-fiction peer review publication to recognize and legitimize scholars.
    Not gonna lie, a scholarly journal that could distribute ideas to all cities would be awesome. I feel like something like that could actually be a really interesting locus for scholarly development and contribution.

    ...if only there was a goddess committed to the clear-eyed pursuit of knowledge.

    edit: *sighs wistfully*
    AchimrstNimHalosAddama
  • AmarillysAmarillys Posts: 797Member @ - Epic Achaean
    edited November 2014
    Herenicus said:
    Nakari said:
    Herenicus said:

    Edit: Could set up an organization mirroring the Fellowship of Scarlatti and run a quarterly fictional non-fiction peer review publication to recognize and legitimize scholars.
    Not gonna lie, a scholarly journal that could distribute ideas to all cities would be awesome. I feel like something like that could actually be a really interesting locus for scholarly development and contribution.

    ...if only there was a goddess committed to the clear-eyed pursuit of knowledge.
    I'm kinda just waiting for the other shoe No to drop at this point...



  • RuthRuth SingaporePosts: 2,700Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I like to think that the Championship Quiz for the Staff of Nicator was a good way to test individuals and demonstrate people's general knowledge and history.

    Unfortunately, and as its title suggests, it's held far too infrequently. :C
    "Mummy, I'm hungry, but there's no one to eat! :C"

     

  • BlujixapugBlujixapug Posts: 1,833Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I don't think it's a dichotomy, it's not either-or. It's been presented that way because that's an easy thematic divide when creating new Houses (eg. wizards / warriors), which are a hot topic right now. But you can be into both. They're also not the only two activities in this game. Maybe you don't do either. Maybe you prefer exploring, questing, bashing, socialising, marketeering.

    I think one other thing that's maybe contributed to the sense of division is some people who don't PK attempt to justify themselves as qualified and therefore important in other ways, distancing themselves from PKers.

    If you PK more often than never, you're some level of combatant. If you enjoy reading the histories, thinking about what your class is, discussing it with other people, typing emotes about it, you're some level of 'scholar'. Many people do both.

    They can both be consuming activities. Developing PK strategies and ironing out your systems doesn't happen without constant practise and maintenance. There are only so many hours in the day.

    The term 'scholar' has specific, academic connotations which I think can be inaccurate. If you were a dedicated monk roleplayer and did things with kata forms, kai, and telepathy, you probably wouldn't be considered a 'scholar'. If you did the same amount of roleplay examining, playing out, and documenting the themes of your magi or occultist skills, you probably would, because they're innately more academic.

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  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western FrontPosts: 1,734Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Silas said:
    What is a scholar? Delphinus.

    Him not logging in is the only reason somebody else won the Y650 quiz.
    He was awfully promiscuous about those Event posts
    HalosSilas
  • CaladbolgCaladbolg Campbell County TNPosts: 1,126Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Scholar: Halos
    Combatant: Me
    Both: Tesha

    I think that sums up my thoughts on it.

    There's people who would have an open debate. and then there's people like me who would say a few words then turn it towards battle. and then there's people like Tesha who can do both perfectly.

    Fully depends on what you want to do.

  • SantarSantar Posts: 2,382Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I was actually considering making a poll like a month back asking what category you'd put yourself in out of like 5-10 different broad categories.

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    AustereBadeKuy
  • AmarillysAmarillys Posts: 797Member @ - Epic Achaean
    Santar said:
    I was actually considering making a poll like a month back asking what category you'd put yourself in out of like 5-10 different broad categories.
    Nike



  • AustereAustere TennesseePosts: 2,187Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Santar said:
    I was actually considering making a poll like a month back asking what category you'd put yourself in out of like 5-10 different broad categories.
    Just make sure scrub is a choice. 
    SynestNimMelodieAtalkez
  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo DomingoPosts: 2,988Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Santar said:
    I was actually considering making a poll like a month back asking what category you'd put yourself in out of like 5-10 different broad categories.
    Should do it.

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

    KuyOceana
  • NimNim Posts: 2,015Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    The term 'scholar' has specific, academic connotations which I think can be inaccurate. If you were a dedicated monk roleplayer and did things with kata forms, kai, and telepathy, you probably wouldn't be considered a 'scholar'. If you did the same amount of roleplay examining, playing out, and documenting the themes of your magi or occultist skills, you probably would, because they're innately more academic.
    I don't think there's a simple class divide though. It really depends on how you approach it.

    For a counter-example, if the things you do with kata forms, kai, and telepathy boil down to reading, writing, and lecturing about them extensively, then you're fairly scholarly. If the things you do are just emoting yourself being a cool monk, then you're just a cool monk.

    Similarly, if the way you play out magi stuff is just showing off your control of the four elements on a regular basis, you're just a cool magus. The scholar distinction happens as a result of academic work.

    Or, in summary: you're a scholar when you do academic things.
    ShirszaeBadeAchimrst
  • BluefBluef DelosPosts: 2,176Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited November 2014
    Here's the thing about being a scholar IC (from my viewpoint anyway): I don't think being a know-it-all is the same thing as being a scholar. A scholar educates others, sharing his/her insights and wisdom in a variety of ways. In many ways I equate it with being a teacher, I suppose, because really other than quizzes that ask you what a denizen had for breakfast 250 years ago what good is knowledge unless it's applied? As the Agassiz saying goes, "Facts are stupid things until brought into connection with some general law." This is the scholar's role: To help those who do not yet see, envision all new possibilities and applications for shared information. 
    Alcinae
  • BadeBade Posts: 114Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    I've read through this thread and I believe there are some good ideas as to what makes a person a scholar, and we already have some guidelines as to what makes a person a combatant, but I have a question. Is it such a rare thing for people to be both? I want to get good at combat and I want to write and be a scholar. Now what I want to study is changing as I'm getting to know the game better, and I probably will never be up there with the top combatants, but do many people do both well, or are they few and far between? or is this just a pipe dream of somebody who isn't far enough into the game to know he has to pick.
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