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  • MishgulMishgul ROTHERHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMember Posts: 5,372 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    apo is certainly lot more complex than serpent and there is less instant gratification. Apostate is great in small group skirmishes, but a serpent would have an easier time killing a large variety of people in 1 v 1 or big raid situations. 

    Not having that instant gecko is a huge turn off though.

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  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western FrontMember Posts: 1,734 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Serpent also has a fuck ton of awesome utility/roleplay abilities that Apostasy can't touch.
  • JovoloJovolo EnglandMember Posts: 3,240 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    You've already been exposed as a troll. "Roleplay abilities"
  • MishgulMishgul ROTHERHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMember Posts: 5,372 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    If you are artied enough you can get over that, but that's the problem really. Have to get dem arties. It's not a newb friendly class

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  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western FrontMember Posts: 1,734 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited January 2015
    Jovolo said:
    You've already been exposed as a troll. "Roleplay abilities"

    People I talk to love using serpent abilities to impact their RP. I don't understand what is so trollish about pointing that out.
  • MishgulMishgul ROTHERHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMember Posts: 5,372 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Jovolo bringing out the ad hominem early in the argument.

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  • SarathaiSarathai Member Posts: 2,139 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Kensei said:
    I'd pick a trident, little more badass than spear for me! :smile: But, just to clarify, do you actually take the animal forms or just the spirit of the animal possesses you? I've always been a little confused with what Metamorphosis does... :confounded:
    The spirit of the creature co-habits your body. If you need a mental image, think of it as like the animal is a spectral overlay on your body, with associated "glint of the wyvern in your eyes" or "eyes like ice" or "moves like a jaguar" or whatever.
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  • JovoloJovolo EnglandMember Posts: 3,240 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited January 2015
    There is no argument. What is even being said. Apostate is a weak combat class that needs to be brought up to par with other affliction classes because Apostasy lacks roleplay abilities in comparison to Serpents? I'm short circuiting 

    I apologise for calling you a troll if you aren't actually trying to troll me, the comment on the previous page just seemed as much like a troll as I've seen.
    Ernam
  • MishgulMishgul ROTHERHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMember Posts: 5,372 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I think you are putting a lot of his posts into the wrong context, but this is the world of free speech so I guess you may do as you please.

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  • JovoloJovolo EnglandMember Posts: 3,240 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited January 2015
    Well. is there a reason as to why you think Apostates are below par that doesn't involve a subjective correlation of class popularity and class strength, Herenicus? That's all I was trying to get at. You're presenting a personal observation rather than a tangible problem that can be solved.
  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western FrontMember Posts: 1,734 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I am only advocating two points:
    • Apostate shouldn't be significantly more difficult to enjoy than other classes
    • Apostasy could (at least) use another utility/RP/flavour buff or two
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  • IocunIocun Member Posts: 3,506 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    A certain degree of difficulty is part of what makes a class give a "badass" impression though. Not directly on an IC level, true, but OOC perception subconsciously always plays a part there. In that sense, "difficulty" can even be something that adds "flavour" to a class.

    Merely having abilities that come with cool text does relatively little to enhance a class in the long term, since few people are going to be truly reading these texts after the first couple of times, even more so in mid-combat. For a more lasting impression, cool texts need to be coupled with cool mechanics and cool mechanics often tend to be a harder to grasp than mechanics that are well established and straight-forward.

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  • DaeirDaeir AustraliaMember Posts: 6,288 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    We have firmly and conclusively determined by UTMOST consensus that Blademaster is indeed the most badass of all classes.

    Thread's closed. Pack it up, boys.
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  • XinnaXinna ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean Member Posts: 691 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean

    Unsure why serpent is the only class that is being mentioned as being possibly better than apostate at afflicting.

    What about jester, shaman, bard, alchemist, and occultist?

    Jester and shaman seem pretty solidly better than apostate. Bard is iffy. Definitely more difficult to use than apostate, but probably better if used properly. Limb breaks are just so nice for pinning someone down who is determined to slow prep.

    Alchemist and occultist seem better than apostate to me, primarily because of ability to chase opponents effectively, making their offense a lot harder to stop. They are also pretty much unaffected by fitness, while locking a fitnesser as apostate should be very difficult (particularly if they're doing slow-prep ish fighting). Demon corrupt doesn't seem like a particularly strong alternative when unartied, given apostate's affliction speed, nightmare nerf, and tree.

    Apostate has advantages, too, of course. It's a defense and hindering powerhouse. Should pretty much never die. But I think it would be difficult to pin an opponent down for the kill as one (never played the class, personally, as a disclaimer). And much more difficult to jump people as one than as serpent, alchemist, or occultist.

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  • MizikMizik Member Posts: 2,128 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Jester might be the most powerful class in the game. 

    Once I tied in the 3rd skill I just quit. I forgot Puppet break, imbibe, and sleep were a thing. 
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  • NimNim Member Posts: 2,015 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    @Iocun: That kind of badassery is legit ICly as well, but it speaks more for the individual than the class. If there are fifty serpents but only one can lock you, and the rest just die trying, serpents honestly kinda suck as a class, concentrating all the potential badassery into the one that can actually beat you.
  • ValariaValaria ✭✭✭ - Distinguished Member Posts: 400 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Mizik said:
    Jester might be the most powerful class in the game. 

    Once I tied in the 3rd skill I just quit. I forgot Puppet break, imbibe, and sleep were a thing. 
    I agree with you, I HATE JESTER!(speaking as a monk of course.. :D)

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  • ErnamErnam ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean Member Posts: 2,416 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited January 2015
    Iocun said:
    A certain degree of difficulty is part of what makes a class give a "badass" impression though. Not directly on an IC level, true, but OOC perception subconsciously always plays a part there. In that sense, "difficulty" can even be something that adds "flavour" to a class.

    Merely having abilities that come with cool text does relatively little to enhance a class in the long term, since few people are going to be truly reading these texts after the first couple of times, even more so in mid-combat. For a more lasting impression, cool texts need to be coupled with cool mechanics and cool mechanics often tend to be a harder to grasp than mechanics that are well established and straight-forward.

    Wish I could double awesome tag this post.  I never thought if it like that, but that's exactly how I see it too.  What makes a class "badass" is a purely subjective thing, but that's definitely a huge part of my definition, if you couldn't tell by my monologue on serpent badassery.

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      1. NimNim Member Posts: 2,015 @@ - Legendary Achaean
        edited January 2015
        I turned my "I thought I liked it but my phone decided otherwise apparently" into an awesome just for you, Ernam. :3
      2. ExelethrilExelethril Member Posts: 3,352 @@ - Legendary Achaean
        Mizik said:
        Jester might be the most powerful class in the game. 

        Once I tied in the 3rd skill I just quit. I forgot Puppet break, imbibe, and sleep were a thing. 
        LoS stun/blackout/web is so annoying. Seems a bit OP if there are two jesters timing LoS bombs well.

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      3. ChiamChiam ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent Member Posts: 144 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
        regarding Apostate, the reason it's the coolest class imo is why I still stay apo (in addition to me being super stingy with credits). Viability wise, it's easy to win fights against someone who doesn't know how to fight us, but against top-tier it's pretty meh

        but I'm a noob so what do I know
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      4. MizikMizik Member Posts: 2,128 @@ - Legendary Achaean
        Mizik said:
        Jester might be the most powerful class in the game. 

        Once I tied in the 3rd skill I just quit. I forgot Puppet break, imbibe, and sleep were a thing. 
        LoS stun/blackout/web is so annoying. Seems a bit OP if there are two jesters timing LoS bombs well.

        Only takes one. 
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      5. DaeirDaeir AustraliaMember Posts: 6,288 @@ - Legendary Achaean
        Would play Jester exclusively if the flavor wasn't so ass retarded at times.

        Still remember my brief stint with it and being solely responsible for the safety of about a dozen people, and getting primaried every fight because of it.

        Good times. Such a powerful class.
        Mizik
      6. BorranBorran ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent Member Posts: 845 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
        Played jester for a while without any puppetry. Was amazing. Hated what it became when i learned puppetry, though. Fashioning just added guaranteed victory on a timer. 

        That was way back,  though.  Not sure how it has changed since then. 

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