jesus, that amount, personally I'd keep like.. 20%, and send the rest back with a note. I'd imagine there's a fair few people who'd just keep it all and laugh like jackasses though
Aurora says, "Tharvis, why are you always breaking things?!" Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh." Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."
I've noticed a broad spectrum across players in Achaea.
It seems like a true wild card if you encounter such things, and shaming peers works quite well for returning it.
That being said, there's been instances where I have came across both situations and my rationale is entirely as you mentioned, Cooper. If the player would have done the same for me, I return it. If they wouldn't have, other things are done with it. (Like fueling a Gleam addiction, for instance)
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
jesus, that amount, personally I'd keep like.. 20%, and send the rest back with a note. I'd imagine there's a fair few people who'd just keep it all and laugh like jackasses though
You raise an interesting point though...
...Is there a threshold of where keeping it defers to returning it?
Would you keep, say, 20k?
30k?
50k?
100k?
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
jesus, that amount, personally I'd keep like.. 20%, and send the rest back with a note. I'd imagine there's a fair few people who'd just keep it all and laugh like jackasses though
You raise an interesting point though...
...Is there a threshold of where keeping it defers to returning it?
Would you keep, say, 20k?
30k?
50k?
100k?
30K is probably the most I'd keep
Aurora says, "Tharvis, why are you always breaking things?!" Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh." Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."
I think the most I've kept that someone has dropped was like 6k. I've picked up 80k+ from bad timing in raids and such, and just simply returned the full amount, or close to the full amount. Sometimes it can open up fun avenues to talk to people you generally don't get to interact with.
33% if enemy faction. If random noncom, or uninvolved person, generally all of it. If it's a small amount, w/e, keep it (like 1000~). I don't really care if I lose money via dying and dropping it - I should have put it away. I've had 210k from me taken that way once and it wasn't returned. Meh
I'd say the threshold depends on both what the person deserves and how much gold they have. For some people, 20k is huge, while others wouldn't even notice it was missing.
Give it back if (a) the person isn't a member of enemy organizations or (b) it's more than 10,000. That's a fair chunk of gold to me, and I'd be pretty bummed if I lost that much.
I think the general rule is that if a lot of gold has been dropped, it's usually because of ooc credit being bought and then sold, so the gold should be returned.
And while I can completely understand/agree with/appreciate the sentiment behind 'depends on the person', I am who -I- am, and that doesn't change based on someone else's perceived douchebaggery.
Also, gold dropping out of hands on death is sort of a dumb mechanic that I never quite understood. If I can manage, in my dying throes, to keep my hands on 361 other things, why would a pile of coin slip out?
@Taraus: Because you're keeping your hands on 361 other things.
If I pick up a smallish amount (less than 5k) in a group fight, I won't return it because it's not even worth scrolling up to see who dropped it. Otherwise, I don't remember being in a situation where I've picked up a lot of gold from somebody I've killed and ended up keeping it. I used to return gold to Tenebrus all the time, back when I was poor as shit and he was absolutely loaded and wouldn't really have cared about losing it.
I'd say return it if it's over 10k. I'm leery about taking more than 10k from someone. I remember what it was like to be dirt-poor. If was someone of an enemy faction, I'd probably want to return it with some sort of satisfying RP though
I think the general rule is that if a lot of gold has been dropped, it's usually because of ooc credit being bought and then sold, so the gold should be returned.
That't my take on it anyway
This is part of why I want to be able to buy and sell credits with the gold in the bank, not on my person.
@Razha: Having gold from credit sales go directly to your bank is already an option. I'm not sure about adding the ability to buy directly from there. Then you have none of the risk with all of the current convenience.
@Aerek dropped 25k last night in a mini skirmish/raid in Cyrene. I promptly returned it to him. If it's below 10k, I generally keep it
I wasn't half as annoyed with the gold drop as I was with people spamming attacks into @Aegoth's prismatic barrier. Lordy. Can I trade the 25k for a package of basic raid highlights I could distribute?
-- Grounded in but one perspective, what we perceive is an exaggeration of the truth.
To my recollection, the only time I've ever kept a large amount of gold is from a drop that someone who had taken a large amount from me on a death dropped.
I recently had put something like 40 credits on the market as I was trying to buy a clan, and forgot about it (was like, 2 OOC days of them being there) -- Mid-fight, they sold and I dropped about 250,000 gold.
Said individual kept it and claimed someone else took it, and after a back and forth exchange, they simply kept it.
Karma was a bitch, however. Got 180k back, so while it wasn't everything, it was something.
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
I'd always give back large amounts, small amounts no one is going to miss (unless it's a newbie but honestly if im killing a newbie they did something that's going to make me not want to give it back)
But I always have that fear since the config credit sales thing to bank doesn't work that im going to forget I have credits for sale and they will sell as im about to die (and oddly enough 10 of my credits sold last night while I was fighting hashan 5v1 o.O(me being the 1 of course))
Oh and on that note I'd give it back if they asked for it back.
I'll almost always give it back, considering I've dropped plenty of times.
However, regardless of what -my- decision would be, there's certain people/situations where I'm not gonna feel sorry for them if it happens.
Example: Probably the incident you're talking about, where Talysin dropped a ton of gold today on clouds when dieing. The coincidental hilarity being that just hours earlier Talysin had killed Kei in Gare for the second time claiming "it's her fault for idling there."
Kei didn't want to issue, saying the death doesn't mean much, and then low and behold Talysin starts whining in an ooc manner about the gold dropping.
Seems rather hypocritical. If you're going to run around playing pk lolz police and ganking non-coms in gare just for being there, then you won't get much sympathy from me when you drop all your gold in a conflict you initiated. You're either all about personal responsibility or you're not.
Make exceptions for others, and they'll probably make exceptions for you.
I would probably do something silly like play a hand of blackjack with the gold, so either both of us get their gold or neither of us get it. However, I'd take it as an IC event, and would roleplay it out rather than just do whatever I'd do.
Nim would probably use the gold benevolently, whether that means giving it back, giving it to people she thinks it could help, or etc.
If I were playing a dirty, rotten thief, they would probably keep it with a sly "thanks for the gold, teehee." If I were playing an honorable knight, the gold would probably be returned. If I were playing a fun-loving jester, you can bet there'd be a game made of it, if it were an appreciable enough amount to do that.
I just consider combat my full-time gold maker in game. I don't really do anything else for gold. I literally fund myself off gold that I pick up off the ground and gold that I get from contracts. Nothing else, really.
When I was still Cyrenian, I think during an auction, I was at CC when I got very suddenly boomeranged into an Ashtani raid group by Hirst and killed, while completely undeffed and with my gold out. I lost like, 250k. I tried to get it back but no one was fessing up to who got it or giving it back, so I was 99% sure Hirst had it.
A couple days later, two Cyrenians (Phaestians I think, back when Babel vs. Phaestus was going on pretty strong) ended up killing Hirst and lo and behold, he drops 280k. I was pretty amazed, even moreso because I was given half of it by one of the people, while the other half went to the second person who helped killed Hirst. On top of that, someone in Cyrene annoymously sent me 250k to cover what I had lost. I tried to refuse both but couldn't do much when I didn't know who sent it, plus the other insisted.
Coming out ahead was absolutely unplanned but a delicious victory.
As for myself, if I gain over 10k, I try to find who dropped it and return all of it. If someone complains about gold dropping, I try and find out who got it and see if I can get it returned (see: Achilles dropping a shitton of inks I just mailed to him during a raid and Dragonknight being a swell guy and returning them). Gold dropping is a seriously annoying thing that is just better mitigated overall. I wish maybe you only dropped a percentage of what was in your hands, rather than all of it.
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If it's Hirst you never return it.
Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh."
Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."
I agree with Cooper's assessment.
It seems like a true wild card if you encounter such things, and shaming peers works quite well for returning it.
That being said, there's been instances where I have came across both situations and my rationale is entirely as you mentioned, Cooper. If the player would have done the same for me, I return it. If they wouldn't have, other things are done with it. (Like fueling a Gleam addiction, for instance)
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
-Albert Einstein
But I would definitely keep Aelios's.
...Is there a threshold of where keeping it defers to returning it?
Would you keep, say, 20k?
30k?
50k?
100k?
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
-Albert Einstein
Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh."
Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."
That't my take on it anyway
And while I can completely understand/agree with/appreciate the sentiment behind 'depends on the person', I am who -I- am, and that doesn't change based on someone else's perceived douchebaggery.
Also, gold dropping out of hands on death is sort of a dumb mechanic that I never quite understood. If I can manage, in my dying throes, to keep my hands on 361 other things, why would a pile of coin slip out?
If I pick up a smallish amount (less than 5k) in a group fight, I won't return it because it's not even worth scrolling up to see who dropped it. Otherwise, I don't remember being in a situation where I've picked up a lot of gold from somebody I've killed and ended up keeping it. I used to return gold to Tenebrus all the time, back when I was poor as shit and he was absolutely loaded and wouldn't really have cared about losing it.
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I recently had put something like 40 credits on the market as I was trying to buy a clan, and forgot about it (was like, 2 OOC days of them being there) -- Mid-fight, they sold and I dropped about 250,000 gold.
Said individual kept it and claimed someone else took it, and after a back and forth exchange, they simply kept it.
Karma was a bitch, however. Got 180k back, so while it wasn't everything, it was something.
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
-Albert Einstein
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
-Albert Einstein
Gave @Halios 120k back last week.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
But I always have that fear since the config credit sales thing to bank doesn't work that im going to forget I have credits for sale and they will sell as im about to die
(and oddly enough 10 of my credits sold last night while I was fighting hashan 5v1 o.O(me being the 1 of course))
Oh and on that note I'd give it back if they asked for it back.
However, regardless of what -my- decision would be, there's certain people/situations where I'm not gonna feel sorry for them if it happens.
Example: Probably the incident you're talking about, where Talysin dropped a ton of gold today on clouds when dieing. The coincidental hilarity being that just hours earlier Talysin had killed Kei in Gare for the second time claiming "it's her fault for idling there."
Kei didn't want to issue, saying the death doesn't mean much, and then low and behold Talysin starts whining in an ooc manner about the gold dropping.
Seems rather hypocritical. If you're going to run around playing pk lolz police and ganking non-coms in gare just for being there, then you won't get much sympathy from me when you drop all your gold in a conflict you initiated. You're either all about personal responsibility or you're not.
Make exceptions for others, and they'll probably make exceptions for you.
Nim would probably use the gold benevolently, whether that means giving it back, giving it to people she thinks it could help, or etc.
If I were playing a dirty, rotten thief, they would probably keep it with a sly "thanks for the gold, teehee." If I were playing an honorable knight, the gold would probably be returned. If I were playing a fun-loving jester, you can bet there'd be a game made of it, if it were an appreciable enough amount to do that.
A couple days later, two Cyrenians (Phaestians I think, back when Babel vs. Phaestus was going on pretty strong) ended up killing Hirst and lo and behold, he drops 280k. I was pretty amazed, even moreso because I was given half of it by one of the people, while the other half went to the second person who helped killed Hirst. On top of that, someone in Cyrene annoymously sent me 250k to cover what I had lost. I tried to refuse both but couldn't do much when I didn't know who sent it, plus the other insisted.
Coming out ahead was absolutely unplanned but a delicious victory.
As for myself, if I gain over 10k, I try to find who dropped it and return all of it. If someone complains about gold dropping, I try and find out who got it and see if I can get it returned (see: Achilles dropping a shitton of inks I just mailed to him during a raid and Dragonknight being a swell guy and returning them). Gold dropping is a seriously annoying thing that is just better mitigated overall. I wish maybe you only dropped a percentage of what was in your hands, rather than all of it.
That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby