Jousting

Jurixe

Disclaimer: Having little to no knowledge of coding limitations, these are purely ideas based off 'this would be nice', so suggest and modify as you will.

I've been trying to run a jousting activity, but there are a few problems:

a) People say that the non-arena jousting is almost completely random and really only dependent on mount level, so assuming you're all trans Riding (which most people who can joust are), then it only boils down to luck and your mount. It gets kind of boring if everyone is jousting with whatever the highest-levelled mount is purely to win (I have no idea what it is).

b) Out of arena jousting is a lot of fun, but currently only available in Delos. I know @Tecton said he was working on it, but I'm sure the current event must take precedence. It also doesn't really solve my other problem c):

c) In arena jousting is sort of an isolated incident - let's say I want to host a jousting tournament in my subdivision house, or somewhere in the city that makes sense. It would be great for people to be able to do other things while the main people joust - bet amongst each other, cheer for their jouster or heckle the opponent, eat/drink, so on and so forth - so to give it a very tournament-like atmosphere, instead of everyone crowding around the arena and having to arenawatch one or the other to see what is actually happening. You can't do anything while you're arenawatching, either, and the contestants can't hear you until they come out of the arena. It would be nice to be able to host tournaments outside of the arena, too.

I know that the new arena jousting takes lance stats into account, which makes for a greater variation on winning probabilities. I'm not sure how it's coded in, but if it were possible, it seems like a good compromise between the two extremes (greater RP creative freedom but uninteresting jousting vs less creativity but more interesting jousting) to have out-of-arena jousting take into account lance stats. In-arena jousting would still have the advantage in terms of pure fun (because you can spur, brace et al to influence the outcome too,  and it uses a point system that allows come from behind victories), but it would at least provide some variety for out-of-arena jousting and make it more viable as an activity.

Thoughts and suggestions are welcome!

Trey

This. 1000x this. It'd be good to be able to stack the odds/ensure victory somehow. Honestly, would love if out-of-arena jousting mimicked in-arena entirely, but I don't know how ambitious of a project that is.

Daslin

Spur;spur;aim gg.

on proper topic. Support, yes.

Jurixe

Trey said:

This. 1000x this. It'd be good to be able to stack the odds/ensure victory somehow. Honestly, would love if out-of-arena jousting mimicked in-arena entirely, but I don't know how ambitious of a project that is.

While I would love this, I suspect there is a reason they made it arena-only. It would also completely negate the necessity of purchasing the jousting upgrade for arenas, so I suspect they won't do this. I'd be happy with just the lance change, if that is even possible.

Silas

Rather than allow jousting outside the arena, how about letting people pay to spectate in the arena? They'd join the event, have permanent grace until leaving, and would be able to wander around watching the action. Flag them as spectators so that you can empty the arena when the actual competitors are done.

I'm really a fan of using events like jousting to build community and culture in the city, but that opportunity is severely limited by the arena.

Trey

I like -that- too. It'd be nice to allow it outside if only for the RP value inherent in it, though. For instance, I know @Jurixe wanted to hold the joust in her private home, in the courtyard.

Jhaeli

I really like @Silas's suggestion, as it would benefit more than just jousting tourneys.

Melodie

Why not both!

Definitely for making jousting much more RP involved though, the whole idea of it was making it a huge culture event (Cyrene even has a tilting yard in the city, it really does love its jousts). Both suggestions sound great (since making the in-arena stuff out-of-arena exactly is likely not in the cards).

Jurixe

Reviewing the OP, b) should obviously be in-arena jousting, not out of arena, I was sleepy when I wrote that.

I would personally prefer the modification to out-of-arena jousting, as making it all in the arena means that jousting is still limited the arena, while improving out-of-arena jousting would mean that we still have the freedom to host it anywhere that makes sense.

Synbios

Mini-possibility:

Jousting as an RPS-ish game, where, prior to the joust, you SHIFT LANCE <high/low/middle>, and depending on your opponent's selection, your chances of unseating him, plus mount/lance stats, are much higher. 

Possible lance aim interactions would be "high -> middle -> low -> high".

As noted, your aim does not solely denote insta-win, but it does tip the balance in your favour, assuming equal lance and mount level.

Jurixe

Bump! Any verdict on this, admin?

Daslin

Please, sweet baby Jeebus.

Sarapis

Not on our radar at the moment.

Sarapis

Chuckling at the 'dislikes'. 

Here's what we often see from you guys collectively. The tone you should read into this is amused affection btw:

Players: "We want X!"

Us: "Yep, we're actually in the process of working on it, but like most things, it takes work and work takes time."

Players: "Now we want Y!"

Us: "Well, we're already working on some of those 1400 things you guys suggested, including massive projects like the House transition, multi-classing, an event, the client, the newbie experience, and other things you're not yet aware of. We'll be getting to it though."

Players: "We must have Z! It's imperative."

Us, wondering whatever happened to your insistence that X and Y are the crucial priorities: "Sorry, Z isn't really on our radar right now, due to the aforementioned 1400 things and our ongoing massive projects."

Players: "What?! That's ridiculous. And why haven't you done Y yet? Also, we definitely need A, B, and C right now too, or my RP is totally ruined."

And that's why development priorities are not a democracy.

Jurixe

Oh, well, I certainly understand that other projects that have greater impact on the Achaean world (houses, events etc) must take precedence, that's fine. It was more of an idea that was hopeful of perhaps making it 'on the list' to be looked at someday - and even if it did, I figured it would probably be extremely low priority anyhow. I know we won't always get what we want, I just thought that throwing the idea out there was better than nothing!

Trey

Sarapis said:

Chuckling at the 'dislikes'. 

Here's what we often see from you guys collectively. The tone you should read into this is amused affection btw:

Players: "We want X!"

Us: "Yep, we're actually in the process of working on it, but like most things, it takes work and work takes time."

Players: "Now we want Y!"

Us: "Well, we're already working on some of those 1400 things you guys suggested, including massive projects like the House transition, multi-classing, an event, the client, the newbie experience, and other things you're not yet aware of. We'll be getting to it though."

Players: "We must have Z! It's imperative."

Us, wondering whatever happened to your insistence that X and Y are the crucial priorities: "Sorry, Z isn't really on our radar right now, due to the aforementioned 1400 things and our ongoing massive projects."

Players: "What?! That's ridiculous. And why haven't you done Y yet? Also, we definitely need A, B, and C right now too, or my RP is totally ruined."

And that's why development priorities are not a democracy.

I'll be completely honest. The majority of the time I do that because I know how you react to it, not because I necessarily disagree  

Shirszae

@sarapis I disagree with responses I dislike. I am not a wholly logical person!

Sarapis

Jurixe said:

Oh, well, I certainly understand that other projects that have greater impact on the Achaean world (houses, events etc) must take precedence, that's fine. It was more of an idea that was hopeful of perhaps making it 'on the list' to be looked at someday - and even if it did, I figured it would probably be extremely low priority anyhow. I know we won't always get what we want, I just thought that throwing the idea out there was better than nothing!

The idea command is probably better for that btw. It's literally the list of player submitted ideas that we maintain.

Iocun

Well, as players, we can't really know what your priorities are, how hard to code certain things are, how much manpower you have available, etc., so it would be hard for us to make a decision between in-game IDEAing and the Golden Dais based on the "importance" of our idea. It's generally easier to simply state our idea here and leave it up to you guys to figure out if you consider it a valuable addition to Achaea and if so, if it deserves immediate attention or if it can remain on the bottom of the priority list for a while.

Almost all of my ideas aren't "super important". The only truly important things are probably bugfixes anyways. I never voice an idea with the expectation of it being immediately implemented, but fully expect that it will either not be implemented, or that it will be on hold until some coder has some free time.

What I like about the forums, compared to the IDEA command, is that the idea can be further improved by the input of other players.

Lacertix

Never tried the out of arena jousting, but in arena is fun. However, I'd prefer it not to use up a ton of lances (since you're technically inside the arena, I feel it should replace all broken things when you leave). It's not very important, but I'd feel way more encouraged to joust if I didn't have to get like 50 lances to prepare for a few rounds.

Valaria

Sarapis said:

Jurixe said:

Oh, well, I certainly understand that other projects that have greater impact on the Achaean world (houses, events etc) must take precedence, that's fine. It was more of an idea that was hopeful of perhaps making it 'on the list' to be looked at someday - and even if it did, I figured it would probably be extremely low priority anyhow. I know we won't always get what we want, I just thought that throwing the idea out there was better than nothing!

The idea command is probably better for that btw. It's literally the list of player submitted ideas that we maintain.

and i have three that are pending.. i wonder when divine are taking a notice. hee hee. it is not like im being impatient, i understand that you all have a mountain of projects to do.

Tecton

Valaria said:

Sarapis said:

Jurixe said:

Oh, well, I certainly understand that other projects that have greater impact on the Achaean world (houses, events etc) must take precedence, that's fine. It was more of an idea that was hopeful of perhaps making it 'on the list' to be looked at someday - and even if it did, I figured it would probably be extremely low priority anyhow. I know we won't always get what we want, I just thought that throwing the idea out there was better than nothing!

The idea command is probably better for that btw. It's literally the list of player submitted ideas that we maintain.

and i have three that are pending.. i wonder when divine are taking a notice. hee hee. it is not like im being impatient, i understand that you all have a mountain of projects to do.

We try to look over them frequently, but the sheer volume of incoming ideas would require someone to almost be sitting there categorising (not actually implementing) them for hours every day! They never expire though, so rest assured that once they're in the system, they'll be checked out as soon as possible.

Vaetra

Tecton said:

Valaria said:

Sarapis said:

Jurixe said:

Oh, well, I certainly understand that other projects that have greater impact on the Achaean world (houses, events etc) must take precedence, that's fine. It was more of an idea that was hopeful of perhaps making it 'on the list' to be looked at someday - and even if it did, I figured it would probably be extremely low priority anyhow. I know we won't always get what we want, I just thought that throwing the idea out there was better than nothing!

The idea command is probably better for that btw. It's literally the list of player submitted ideas that we maintain.

and i have three that are pending.. i wonder when divine are taking a notice. hee hee. it is not like im being impatient, i understand that you all have a mountain of projects to do.

We try to look over them frequently, but the sheer volume of incoming ideas would require someone to almost be sitting there categorising (not actually implementing) them for hours every day! They never expire though, so rest assured that once they're in the system, they'll be checked out as soon as possible.

So IDEAS are like prayers and you are Bruce Almighty? 

Tecton

Vaetra said:

Tecton said:

Valaria said:

Sarapis said:

Jurixe said:

Oh, well, I certainly understand that other projects that have greater impact on the Achaean world (houses, events etc) must take precedence, that's fine. It was more of an idea that was hopeful of perhaps making it 'on the list' to be looked at someday - and even if it did, I figured it would probably be extremely low priority anyhow. I know we won't always get what we want, I just thought that throwing the idea out there was better than nothing!

The idea command is probably better for that btw. It's literally the list of player submitted ideas that we maintain.

and i have three that are pending.. i wonder when divine are taking a notice. hee hee. it is not like im being impatient, i understand that you all have a mountain of projects to do.

We try to look over them frequently, but the sheer volume of incoming ideas would require someone to almost be sitting there categorising (not actually implementing) them for hours every day! They never expire though, so rest assured that once they're in the system, they'll be checked out as soon as possible.

So IDEAS are like prayers and you are Bruce Almighty? 

An accurate analogy!

Sylvance

Tecton said:

Vaetra said:

Tecton said:

Valaria said:

Sarapis said:

Jurixe said:

Oh, well, I certainly understand that other projects that have greater impact on the Achaean world (houses, events etc) must take precedence, that's fine. It was more of an idea that was hopeful of perhaps making it 'on the list' to be looked at someday - and even if it did, I figured it would probably be extremely low priority anyhow. I know we won't always get what we want, I just thought that throwing the idea out there was better than nothing!

The idea command is probably better for that btw. It's literally the list of player submitted ideas that we maintain.

and i have three that are pending.. i wonder when divine are taking a notice. hee hee. it is not like im being impatient, i understand that you all have a mountain of projects to do.

We try to look over them frequently, but the sheer volume of incoming ideas would require someone to almost be sitting there categorising (not actually implementing) them for hours every day! They never expire though, so rest assured that once they're in the system, they'll be checked out as soon as possible.

So IDEAS are like prayers and you are Bruce Almighty? 

An accurate analogy!

What's the quote-nesting record?

Greys

@Sylvance Its held by one who to even speak his name would get you permashrubbed.