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I thought the point was for admins to have to do less work not more. They do have a game to run.
If the problem is so bad that the admins are literally getting together and having a pow-wow about it, then some things have gotten out of hand. Just like you can be ex-commed in game, which I have never had a problem with, you can lose your forum privileges by screwing over your "faction". In this case, the faction is everyone, counting anyone, including admins. Personally, I care a lot more about their hurt feelings than somebody who is wondering why this thread started getting wonky (in the case of posts being retroactively deleted). In fact, I'd go so far as to say that deleting all of somebody's posts because they stepped over the line is perfectly acceptable. You get what you pay for, folks, and nobody here owes you anything, especially the admins.
The line is there, and it is in pretty clear black and white. Try not to act like the admins are any less a part of our community, and realize that the rules are for everyone, not just so THEY can keep YOU in line. They don't have to notify you that they've done it, either, nor should they, because that is saying that this toxic person who has stepped on the feelings of others deserves some kind of privilege that they have, by the rules, left at the wayside when they decided to be an asshole. This isn't a court of law, folks, and nobody deserves a trial before punishment here. There's only one golden rule: Don't be a jerk. It mystifies me how people can misconstrue that, much less jump to the defense of the careless when they do.
If the forums had the capability it'd be as simple as matching posts that meet a certain criteria and they would show up on the docket to allow the mod in question to simply select all or merely tick off say ten of twenty and click delete.
Different forums do different things. Though the forums I moderated were developed by individuals by hand, so we had a lot more options in terms of adding features as the need arises. I've never worked with Vanilla which is why I made the suggestion.
And @Cooper switching isn't an easy choice to make as transferring things correctly and making sure all the stuff the general public can't see stays that way.. It takes time. All forums and community portals have pros and cons and widely varying price ranges. It'd probably be easier for you to look up potential alternatives and suggest them if you haven't already.
Just my two cents and spare change.
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I read old posts -constantly- but generally there old formulas on damage/breaking that have been posted on the forums that people generally don't want anyone else to know about.
You really don't like to post things with a good signal to noise ratio do you?
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
That's fine, the admin in charge of the 'no trolling, people are going to get harsh bans' is free to insult and troll people instead of respond to the points brought up.
I'm also constantly reading old threads. There's a lot of very valuable and helpful information, and many of those insightful, helpful, on-topic posts were posted by people who I could easily see getting banned/troll-flagged someday. Especially if I was looking for combat logs.
You might, but it is very rare. The numbers don't really lie there.
Would never apologise to Relos.
ETA: I don't see a need for deleting old posts at all, honestly. Delete them as they happen, sure, but there's no need to retroactively go through and fix what happened in the past. It's enough that people won't be able to post in the future - nobody in Achaea should be so sensitive as to not want to be exposed to somebody's insults from last week.
It was really jarring catching up on a thread after a few days with half the content removed indiscriminately, though.
I assume it's the one where you don't troll people, because trolling people is kind of a jerk move, and this entire topic is about trying to get people to not be jerks.
I humbly request a silver, blue, or green star rather than a gold star. Red is also OK I guess. Nothing against gold stars, I just like pretty colors and variety.
This may or may not also describe how I paint.
@Sarapis as much as I hate to take @Cooper's side in something, that is completely unreasonable, and I hate to say it, but I'm a bit outraged on his behalf. He did not insult you, he didn't insult anyone, he offered a valid opinion - one that I think most of us share. He then proceeded to suggest we simply switch software to something that enables you to more efficiently handle troll posts. Your response was an unveiled insult. Something that you and the rest of the admins claim to be putting your foot down on. When he called you out for it, you ban him.
Am I missing something here? I am truly confused, because you have never struck me as an unreasonable person, but that was way over the line.
Why do people keep using the word "indiscriminately"? Nobody is doing anything indiscriminately here. Sure, a person's old posts disappear (temporarily), but only if they make it clear they're interested in repeatedly breaking forum rule #1. I would not call that indiscriminate, at all.
The approach that the admins are using is being used for several reasons which have all been thoroughly explained, and seem entirely reasonable. I don't think people are thoroughly considering the implications of some of the suggested alternatives (even though they were described by @Sarapis and others).
And at the end of the day, I think Sarapis' goal here is to to not have to ban anybody, anyways. He, and probably many other people, just want to see the forums go in a less griefy direction than it has been going for a long time, and are staging an intervention. Once people get it through their heads that insults and attacks are no longer acceptable, and stop doing it, it will cease to be an issue.
It would be so nice if people realized that insults, attacks, and blatant lies to defame weren't acceptable.
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."
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Quotes or goats Mithridates, quotes or goats.
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."
You guys are hilarious. The people whining about the Admins banning people and slinging insults at them need to put things into a different perspective. This is their game, you are playing it. Think of them as your parents and you their children. If your mother/father said 'Stop hitting your god damned sibling!' and you was like 'But you hit them!' they'd backhand your ass back to Kindergarten. Same situation here. If you can't be civilized, you're going to get banned. It's not a hard concept to understand and likewise if you think it's a smart idea or lulzy or clever to throw insults at the people that run this game you're not doing anything for yourself but speeding up the process.
Rule stipulation 1.03005 states: "Being a jerk" does not count if one uses sarcasm, metaphor, or flimsy hypotheticals to mask jabs at people.
Alright, so while you enjoy attacking me for doing those things, you still provided zero quotes. I've provided multiple quotes in the past of Ernam blatantly lying about my character's actions and what I've said.
You're pretty hilarious angry at me, which is fine, but lying about what I do is silly. Yes, I'm sarcastic regularly, but I also constantly provide ideas for conflict balance and suggestions to help improve morale for your team. In fact, the last time I posted a constructive "Way you can improve morale during raids" post, you were the target, and one of the people I was talking about who gets verbally crapped on by raid leadership thanked me.
Maybe once you cool down (from what I don't know, I haven't even killed you today) you'll be able to be constructive.
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."
Hey Jarrod? Can you please post something different than 'Ernam is lying again'? It's getting pretty redundant and boring.
In this topic about not being a jerk:
Someone gets banned for suggesting people who break the rules should just be banned, or forum software should no longer be used if its solutions are awful.
People sling mud at each other for the fifteenth billionth time. Not a single warning.
I assume this entire thread is an example of what NOT to do going forward. This. Entire. Thread.
Yes, my anger stems on your ability to lean on a snipe alias, lol. One thing you lied about right there, I'm not mad at you. I'm just saying that you're a BSer, you're generally negative, etc. I don't need to back myself up on that, because that's the way I perceive you. Not gonna spend my night digging through old forum posts, I've got better things to do. Like maybe take a shit, or clip my toenails.
I honestly think he should stop posting in general, outside of things like updates for SLC (which seems like a legitimately good system, I even said so in that thread). He regularly puts himself into situations where he's in the wrong, then accuses others of attacking him when they point out the issues with what he said. Even when Vastar posted with, "If you think this only applies to others, it may apply to you as well" (didn't look up direct quote), to which Ernam still ignored the fact that he's a culprit, and not a victim. If he stopped commenting in other threads and putting himself into those situations that he instigates, and continued providing a service to the community like his system, people would stop disliking him.
You certainly seem mad when you posted purely to be overly insulting to me. If you're not mad, and that's just how you are, I'm not sure if that's worse or better. I know that's how you perceive me, so I don't really care about how you view me, it's not something I can change, I accept that. The point of asking for quotes was because I'm generally not negative at all, and you not being willing to provide any shows you don't care about whether it's true or not.
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."
Nope.
Nope? Why not? He's legitimately gay and posts about it all over the forums.
Is it really that hard to just not respond to him though? I read over the majority of the forums every day and I see, constantly, the same person responding, insulting and egging him on. Just let him live in his world where he's right all the time, leave him alone and nobody will be hurt by it, I promise.