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Moods - Nice Addition or Poor Implementation?

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  • SilasSilas Member Posts: 2,543 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Big fan of the idea, but the implementation leaves a lot to be desired. Making moods pay-for collectibles also seems pretty distasteful, in that it's turning Achaea into Fable or GTA, except the crappy outfits and haircuts you collect have a huge impact on your character and how everybody (forcibly, despite rules against forcing reactions from others) reacts to your character.

    Not a fan as they are, and not impressed by what this signals for the potential direction IRE are taking with credit sales if this is an indication to go by. Disappointing, given that the idea has a lot of promise.

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  • SarapisSarapis Member, Administrator Posts: 3,398 Achaean staff
    Silas said:
     (forcibly, despite rules against forcing reactions from others) 
    Sorry, what? I've looked at the moods and I don't see where they're forcing your character to feel a particular emotion.

    Amanu
  • KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the StormMember Posts: 3,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Jarrod said:
    1) I can't disable seeing the moods of others
    Please make this a thing ^^^
    Sarapis said:
    Silas said:
    turning Achaea into Fable or GTA,
    Our characters also have health, I should point out, just like GTA V and Fable, no doubt cementing in everybody's mind that Achaea is like them in every way. Why, just this morning I car-jacked a sweet ride in Ashtan before enjoying a lovely 3d cut-scene, opened up with my sniper rifle on a civilian crowd, got away from the cops during a car chase in Cyrene, and finished it off with 18 holes on one of Targossas's lovely golf courses.

    Exactly like Achaea, in other words. 
    Me thinks @Sarapis maybe a touch on the sarcastic side...

    Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
  • SarapisSarapis Member, Administrator Posts: 3,398 Achaean staff
    Cooper said:
    Nim said:
    Yeah. If they wanted to make money off of it, they could've done a dumb thing where you have to pay to access your class mood or order mood or whatever, but letting people blatantly be things they are not is kind of jarring.

    They are making money off of it by introducing a crown sale and then only selling them for crowns. I bet credit sales are through the roof right now.
    @Nim But they can do those things, just as surely as someone can purchase the firelash ability with lessons, or bracers of frost or eagles' wings with credits.

    @Cooper Kind of an average month overall, despite a very strong start. Moods haven't given a giant boost really. Only 14 of the elemental moods purchased so far, and 8 of the shadow ones. So 22 people in the game have elemental moods, out of over 800 people who logged in today (though some people may have multiple elemental moods...I can't tell without digging deeper.)

  • AktillumAktillum PhilippinesMember Posts: 1,368 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I didn't think the elemental moods were that bland, I considered picking up the Ice mood but couldn't find cheap crowns on market. Then they rolled out the Blue Dragon mood and the text is considerably cooler than Ice anyways. I don't feel my RP experience is jarred by people talking to me from the shadows or through the fire and flames of Dragonforce* and whatnot, though it will be funny when some 18yo alt is walking around with them.

    (*new mood idea - heavy metal: Epic guitar solos duel in the background as you tell X, "bla bla bla."

    Nim
  • JarrodJarrod Member, Seafaring Liason Posts: 3,060 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Sarapis said:
    Cooper said:
    Nim said:
    Yeah. If they wanted to make money off of it, they could've done a dumb thing where you have to pay to access your class mood or order mood or whatever, but letting people blatantly be things they are not is kind of jarring.

    They are making money off of it by introducing a crown sale and then only selling them for crowns. I bet credit sales are through the roof right now.
    @Nim But they can do those things, just as surely as someone can purchase the firelash ability with lessons, or bracers of frost or eagles' wings with credits.

    @Cooper Kind of an average month overall, despite a very strong start. Moods haven't given a giant boost really. Only 14 of the elemental moods purchased so far, and 8 of the shadow ones. So 22 people in the game have elemental moods, out of over 800 people who logged in today (though some people may have multiple elemental moods...I can't tell without digging deeper.)

    Sounds like 7 other people need mood adjustments.
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  • GogGog Member Posts: 13
    Poses would have been a lot better for RP. The moods system seems poorly thoughtout imho... would rather be able to do custom tells/says instead of hardcoded voice/accent and room and look poses. Not gonna lie, after I saw the moods in the shop of wonders "Money Grab" immediately came to mind. It's not a bad thing, I want Achaea to make more money, it's just with the direction houses are going it I think they want to see more RP, but this seems like a step backward to add in more hardcoded RP. Also, I agree with some of the moods being too divine in nature. It's almost worst than godmodders.
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I don't think this should be mutually exclusive with poses at all, it's a very different thing that happens to also modify your room appearance. Unless the official stance is that poses aren't coming because of moods, I wouldn't compare the two.
  • GogGog Member Posts: 13
    I didn't mean to compare the two, was just agreeing with Kayeil.
  • BonkoBonko Member Posts: 692 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Sarapis said:
    Silas said:
    turning Achaea into Fable or GTA,
    Our characters also have health, I should point out, just like GTA V and Fable, no doubt cementing in everybody's mind that Achaea is like them in every way. Why, just this morning I car-jacked a sweet ride in Ashtan before enjoying a lovely 3d cut-scene, opened up with my sniper rifle on a civilian crowd, got away from the cops during a car chase in Cyrene, and finished it off with 18 holes on one of Targossas's lovely golf courses.

    Exactly like Achaea, in other words. 
    And you didn't get shrubbed for doing all of that?

    What am I doing wrong? :(

    Please teach me.

  • AmanuAmanu Forge TreeMember Posts: 830 @ - Epic Achaean
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  • AmanuAmanu Forge TreeMember Posts: 830 @ - Epic Achaean
    edited April 2014
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  • KaraiKarai Member Posts: 325 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    I tend to think it a bit odd that people can pay for control over an element for a phenomena they have no association with. Shadow or wind, for instance. I can see Darkwalkers taking it, or Wind with Vastar, and I can see it as a Dragon mood given what they are capable of. I just don't see how a mortal can cause my vision to darken by just TELLing me things. Although @Sobriquet has that effect sometimes. Dreamy voice and all, at least how I imagine it. He still hasn't made that video for me. 8-|

    Just be careful with this, is all I'm saying. More standard moods, too please. I'm loving those.

    I also hate seeing 18 year olds with this stuff, but that's more jealousy and angst.. and the market for crowns being ridiculous.
    Eilona
  • CaladbolgCaladbolg Campbell County TNMember Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    My only complaint with moods so far is it screwed up my chat window :( .. @Karai fix please

    MannimarYae
  • TreyTrey Member Posts: 4,724 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Karai said:
    I tend to think it a bit odd that people can pay for control over an element for a phenomena they have no association with. Shadow or wind, for instance. I can see Darkwalkers taking it, or Wind with Vastar, and I can see it as a Dragon mood given what they are capable of. I just don't see how a mortal can cause my vision to darken by just TELLing me things. Although @Sobriquet has that effect sometimes. Dreamy voice and all, at least how I imagine it. He still hasn't made that video for me. 8-|

    Just be careful with this, is all I'm saying. More standard moods, too please. I'm loving those.

    I also hate seeing 18 year olds with this stuff, but that's more jealousy and angst.. and the market for crowns being ridiculous.
    Point made, but I think Shadow is appropriate for Serpents, Necros and Occultists. Necros in particular, what with Shroud and Darkness.

  • NakariNakari Member Posts: 596 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    I just pretend that all elemental moods are done with overzealous use of illusions. 

  • MithridatesMithridates Member Posts: 1,956 @ - Epic Achaean
    I gotta say that moods immediately make me judge a character.  A person goes from respectful to a cartoon based on their mood.  Like @Colgano, I like him and all but when I see him swaggering out to the ether, I just laugh. Can't take that seriously. 
    AktillumHalos
  • SarapisSarapis Member, Administrator Posts: 3,398 Achaean staff
    Bonko said:
    Sarapis said:
    Silas said:
    turning Achaea into Fable or GTA,
    Our characters also have health, I should point out, just like GTA V and Fable, no doubt cementing in everybody's mind that Achaea is like them in every way. Why, just this morning I car-jacked a sweet ride in Ashtan before enjoying a lovely 3d cut-scene, opened up with my sniper rifle on a civilian crowd, got away from the cops during a car chase in Cyrene, and finished it off with 18 holes on one of Targossas's lovely golf courses.

    Exactly like Achaea, in other words. 
    And you didn't get shrubbed for doing all of that?

    What am I doing wrong? :(

    Please teach me.
    Well, the 6 star response is a God coming down to zap you, but I managed to fight her off with a combination of QQing and closing my client window simultaneously. 
    BonkoGogAlcinae
  • SarapisSarapis Member, Administrator Posts: 3,398 Achaean staff
    Silas said:
    Sarapis said:
    Silas said:
    turning Achaea into Fable or GTA,
    Our characters also have health, I should point out, just like GTA V and Fable, no doubt cementing in everybody's mind that Achaea is like them in every way. Why, just this morning I car-jacked a sweet ride in Ashtan before enjoying a lovely 3d cut-scene, opened up with my sniper rifle on a civilian crowd, got away from the cops during a car chase in Cyrene, and finished it off with 18 holes on one of Targossas's lovely golf courses.

    Exactly like Achaea, in other words. 
    I mean, you can get snarky and defensive about if if you want - that's your choice - but I don't see how that's a productive response to constructive criticism.
    Oh, got no problem with constructive criticism and welcome it. The part of the post I quoted was not constructive, however. I did actually respond to one constructive part of your post, but having reviewed the emotions, I didn't see any that force an emotional reaction on players. They just tell you what's happening, which they should do. Is there one that I missed in my review? I agree that we don't want players eliciting emotional reactions via moods from others.
  • DarktalonDarktalon RomeMember Posts: 178 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    I am having a little trouble understanding people's point about the events caused by moods. I mean, you can already be a paladin dwarf, do all kinds of amazing things, get bored, kill yourself, become an occultist troll and then learn to totally new amazing things in the span of an hour. Then summon your mount from anywhere, get your friend to teleport you through magic holes to distant places and fight giant monsters, throw the monster bodies on an altar to make a god happy and if you are really bored, kill yourself again, learn all new things and start all over.

    But someone causing the wind to blow is odd? Maybe I am mistake but aren't those the limited ones from crowns? So not many people will even bother with them, they are the equivalent of minor artifacts which also give you more abilities.

    I get the point people are making about introducing them and have a credit special with crowns, but Achaea is a business. Don't buy them if you dislike them.

    Personally I feel like it will end up the same as the voices people have given themselves. I don't even bother reading whatever accent/sauve/sultry thing they use and skip right to the words.
  • AktillumAktillum PhilippinesMember Posts: 1,368 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    But these are way better than voices/accents. I cringe whenever someone speaks with a "Horkvali accent" or some other X race accent. That's like saying you have a black, white or Asian accent. Your accent comes from your locality, people, gdi.

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  • AccipiterAccipiter Member Posts: 430 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    I don't really like how easy it is to sort of forget what mood you are in. If you use an accent/voice you might not notice for a fair time that you were in a mood from when you logged in yesterday. Might be an idea to clear mood on logout.
    Halos
  • NakariNakari Member Posts: 596 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Aktillum said:
    But these are way better than voices/accents. I cringe whenever someone speaks with a "Horkvali accent" or some other X race accent. That's like saying you have a black, white or Asian accent. Your accent comes from your locality, people, gdi.
    I don't think that's entirely fair. Different racial languages are going to have different pronunciation and grammar and the like, and a 'racial accent' is likely going to refer to someone who, learning achaean as a second language after the racial tongue (not all that unimaginable), applies some of the common pronunciations quirks to achaean.

  • JacenJacen Member Posts: 2,304 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I always took the racial accents to be the different pronunciations of the sounds that language is built on (I'm sure there's better words for all this, but I'm not a language person :/) meaning like, a Horkval might not be physically able to to make the "shh" sound and so it might come out "sss" or something.
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  • AerekAerek East Tennessee, USAMember Posts: 1,818 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Also the actual anatomy of the different races could influence their speech. It might not be the most creative use of accents ever, but I think it's a valid one. Race doesn't influence much these days, and there are plenty of folks who I actually don't know or remember their race, because I don't look at descriptions often anymore. If you want to use accents to remind folks of your race and reinforce your race as a defining aspect of your character, I think that's fine.
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  • AepasAepas Member Posts: 1,619 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Aktillum said:
    But these are way better than voices/accents. I cringe whenever someone speaks with a "Horkvali accent" or some other X race accent. That's like saying you have a black, white or Asian accent. Your accent comes from your locality, people, gdi.
    90% chance black and white people are going to talk differently.
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  • AktillumAktillum PhilippinesMember Posts: 1,368 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited April 2014
    Aepas said:
    Aktillum said:
    But these are way better than voices/accents. I cringe whenever someone speaks with a "Horkvali accent" or some other X race accent. That's like saying you have a black, white or Asian accent. Your accent comes from your locality, people, gdi.
    90% chance black and white people are going to talk differently.
    Not really, no.

    Trilliana
  • JarrodJarrod Member, Seafaring Liason Posts: 3,060 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Aktillum said:
    But these are way better than voices/accents. I cringe whenever someone speaks with a "Horkvali accent" or some other X race accent. That's like saying you have a black, white or Asian accent. Your accent comes from your locality, people, gdi.
    This is 100% incorrect. Saying a 'Horkvali' accent is the same as saying a 'German' or 'French' accent, which is what people do.

    Horkvali is a language.

    Horkval is a race.

    Your ignorance is upsetting you, not what's actually occuring.
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