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Bashing ratings

RiplakishRiplakish Member Posts: 19
So I was wondering if you where to list each of the classes bashing skills by order of most damaging to least what would it look like? my estimate is something like this but I need help filling in the blanks.

1. Monk (sdk;ucp;ucp)
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8. Sumac
9. Punch

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  • SylvanceSylvance Member Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    I appreciate that this isn't a direct answer to your question (I don't know the answer, sorry!) but I've seen @Tecton say in another thread that in terms of straight dps the classes are fairly balanced. Depending on why you're asking this question, that may or may not be helpful.
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  • CynlaelCynlael Member Posts: 3,257 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    If Imperian / Aetolia is anything to go by. Then unartied, for straight damage and not DPS (no crits at all), it's Staffcast > Maul > Monk combo, then the rest are pretty close. (DSL slot depends on what weapons you use)

  • RiplakishRiplakish Member Posts: 19
    edited October 2013
    wow really!? the maul of a hyena is better than a sidekick+2xuppercuts? I'm a monk and thought they were by far the best for bashing. Thanks for the info
    wait Maul first happens later hyena has CLAW. Sry. When does maul become an option and is it really better?

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  • AntoniusAntonius Member Posts: 4,987 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Important parts to pick out from Cynlael's post:

    "Imperian / Aetolia" - it may not be the same on Achaea, though it's likely to be reasonably close.
    "Straight damage and not DPS" - DPS is the important factor, even ignoring crits.
    "(no crits at all)" - you will eventually start getting critical hits, and can potentially get a quite high crit chance, classes with a multiple hit bashing attack (monk combo or doubleslash, for example) benefit more from this.

    At high level, Monk outstrips pretty much everything for bashing. At low level there are potentially better options, I'm not sure, but if you're currently a monk and you're interested primarily in bashing, I wouldn't suggest switching.
  • EldEld Member Posts: 3,946 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Riplakish said:
    wow really!? the maul of a hyena is better than a sidekick+2xuppercuts? I'm a monk and thought they were by far the best for bashing. Thanks for the info
    wait Maul first happens later hyena has CLAW. Sry. When does maul become an option and is it really better?

    It really depends on what you mean by better. Maul (which is jaguar, not hyena, by the way) may do more damage, but still be a worse bashing attack when you take into account the balance. If you're just talking about efficiency for bashing, you want to be looking at damage per second (DPS), as well is balance in itself (faster attacks are better at constant DPS), and possibly things like endurance/willpower drain.
  • RiplakishRiplakish Member Posts: 19
    PS are any druids available to induct me since I am too old for certimene to do so?
  • DaeirDaeir AustraliaMember Posts: 6,288 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Staffcast doesn't feel quite so amazing as everyone makes it out to be. Would love to see solid stats on bashing damage.

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  • RiplakishRiplakish Member Posts: 19
    Daeir said:
    Staffcast doesn't feel quite so amazing as everyone makes it out to be. Would love to see solid stats on bashing damage.

    I summon @Sena!
    That's exactly what I am looking for too! Thanks @Daeir
  • RiplakishRiplakish Member Posts: 19
    Lets see some solid stats for bashing dmg.
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I forgot about brawling. Interestingly, brawling attacks scale to the max health of the denizen, meaning that they deal insane damage against stronger denizens. That's not actually useful though, since you'll have a hard time ever hitting strong denizens with them.

    Punch: 50+MaxHealth/20 damage (before strength), 3.5s balance (before nimble).
    Kick: 70+MaxHealth/25 damage (before strength), 4.3s balance (before nimble).
    Headslam: 70+MaxHealth/25 damage (before strength), 4.2s balance (before nimble). Also stuns you for 0.1s.
  • TeghaineTeghaine Cape Town - South Africa - Africa (thatcontinentthatlookslikesouthamerica)Member Posts: 116 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    No love for accenato?
    Aww...
  • SeftinSeftin Member Posts: 923 @ - Epic Achaean
    Any ideas on shaman bleed?
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Seftin said:
    Any ideas on shaman bleed?
    Some discussion on it here, but the numbers I have are a bit outdated, I'm not sure exactly what it's like now.
  • SeftinSeftin Member Posts: 923 @ - Epic Achaean
    Thanks @sena. If you need any testinglet me know.
  • BorranBorran Member Posts: 845 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    So does this mean Sanya does not alter balance time?


  • TrevizeTrevize Member Posts: 1,517 @ - Epic Achaean
    edited October 2013
    Borran said:
    So does this mean Sanya does not alter balance time?
    Correct. My notes on BM were as follows: (and mesh with Sena's)

    Thyr  - 10% faster, -3 damage

    Mir   - 20% slower, -1 damage, +defense

    Sanya -             +1 damage

    Arash -  5% faster, +3 damage, -defense

    Doya  - 20% slower, +2 damage


    Note that +#damage is not actually +1 or +2, but a rank of +damage, higher number is more/less respectively.


    Also, if I remember right, unstanced is actually better than thyr for hunting. Sanya is best. Even taking crits into account. (crits/overkill does make thyr closer to sanya than straight dps indicates, but sanya still wins - more so on larger health enemies)

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  • EldEld Member Posts: 3,946 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Borran said:
    So does this mean Sanya does not alter balance time?
    Not measurably, from what I've seen.
  • RangorRangor Member Posts: 3,308 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    @sena what do you use to see the damage your bashing attacks to do denizens? Do you have some super secret trick, or is it still falcons that's the popular testing reference.
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  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Rangor said:
    @sena what do you use to see the damage your bashing attacks to do denizens? Do you have some super secret trick, or is it still falcons that's the popular testing reference.
    Still falcons. I think baalzadeens would also work, but knights are much easier to find than apostates.
  • EldEld Member Posts: 3,946 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Just use a falcon. Even if there is some better way out there (which I don't think there is), the little f---ers deserve the abuse.
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  • SidoniaSidonia Member Posts: 408 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    edited November 2013
    Slight necro, but I just tested Bard damage.
    With a 66 damage 235 speed rapier and 12 strength/intelligence, I got 266 damage on jab, 252 on accentato for 518 total.
    225 DPS before nimble/canticle, which would put Bards close to the top in terms of bashing damage output.
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