Combat Logs

Triak

You're right, it is extremely unfair that Ashtan is the only city with access to monks.

Achilles

Has nothing to do with Ashtan, its a dumb oversight that the class is able to ignore being hindered.  

Jhui

need more proned attacks, not less!

It makes me happy that hitting totem != game over all the time.

Need to give the other classes some options, imo.

Achilles

Jhui said:

need more proned attacks, not less!

It makes me happy that hitting totem != game over all the time.

Need to give the other classes some options, imo.

Over halfway through classleads, most classes got group damage/prone damage nerfs.  Other classes either need a buff or monks need a nerf.

That is unless IRE wants 80% of combatants to be monks just to stay competitive.

Dunn

Lol shut up. 

Hirst

Achilles trying to give combat advice is just hilarious.

Jonathin

I come back to the forums after a while and this is all I see:

"baw baw monks baw baw pit baw baw occultists baw baw gank baw baw"

Nemutaur

Achilles said:

That is unless IRE wants 80% of combatants to be monks just to stay competitive.

Shouldn't have let half of your core raiders roll Jester then. 

Mishgul

delete disrupt

Darroth

Totem diving or being beckoned into totem and still retaining DRS, and being able to enfeeble, kai choke, crush while prone and transfixed is op as shit. Let's not be silly. 

Dunn

No shit it is. Everyone (rational) acknowledges that. The TLDR here is that whining about it continuously doesn't award any forward progress and is, in fact, detrimental to your overall attitude.

Naisar

Eh, maybe. Since they just rolled out Monk classleads without addressing the issue, from our perspective it looks like the administration thinks that Monks are working as intended.   Classleads have been (temporarily?) abandoned, so there's no formal way to suggest combat changes, but at the same time it's necessary for the players to be able to express discontent in some manner.  Yelling about it on the forums probably isn't the best way, sure, but there aren't a whole lot of avenues left to most players.  I guess a poll or something might work better, I dunno.

Cahin

Beckon is also OP. Love that ability.

Azuhi

For...blizzard's sake, stop nerfing my class, will you?
Seriously now, I can't think of any other class that has been nerfed so many times during the years I've been playing Achaea. Monks obviously have some advantage in combat, but that's because they specialize in that. Other classes have trading, utility abilities and many other cool features, so I'm not giving up on my enfeeble unless you give me phase.
>:P

Daslin

or Kaiform/someformofescape.

Plus, telepathy, it's mental. prone telepathy/kaido is fine.

Jovolo

No one really argues prone isnt fine. It is that you can do it paralysed and transfixed. Whining about it constantly will only be detrimental to your cause, though. It isnt like it is a factional instability so it isnt majorly pressing as an issue, but it will get seen to eventually. Personally I would rather see other classes.go the same way as Monks. But I suppose being factional with priests can dull your offense sense. Or some other priest-is-boring-as-shit joke.

Silas

There probably is no other class that's been so heavily nerfed, and yet monk is still one of the strongest classes in the game.

Naisar

Azuhi said:

For...blizzard's sake, stop nerfing my class, will you?
Seriously now, I can't think of any other class that has been nerfed so many times during the years I've been playing Achaea. Monks obviously have some advantage in combat, but that's because they specialize in that. Other classes have trading, utility abilities and many other cool features, so I'm not giving up on my enfeeble unless you give me phase.
>:P

Out of curiosity, what abilities do you think would balance out prone kaido + best ranged offense + best artefact scaling + one of the best 1v1 sets?

Edit: missed a word

Azuhi

Silas said:

There probably is no other class that's been so heavily nerfed, and yet monk is still one of the strongest classes in the game.

I can't argue that, but frankly you're making your opinion considering artied Monks which obviously have quite an advantage, while overlooking the ones that lack any artefact that would aide them in combat. If this class gets nerfed at this rate, we'll end up with only bashing capabilities and even then Spire will come out of the crowd and prove Monk an OP class making everyone rageqq.

Azuhi

Naisar said:

Azuhi said:

For...blizzard's sake, stop nerfing my class, will you?
Seriously now, I can't think of any other class that has been nerfed so many times during the years I've been playing Achaea. Monks obviously have some advantage in combat, but that's because they specialize in that. Other classes have trading, utility abilities and many other cool features, so I'm not giving up on my enfeeble unless you give me phase.
>:P

Out of curiosity, what abilities do you think would balance out prone kaido + best ranged offense + best artefact scaling + one of the best 1v1 sets?

Edit: missed a word

Actually, I'm not a Mark, nor a real combatant, so I'll stop arguing about this and instead just go Bard when time comes.

Naisar

Okay.  That was a serious question though; I wasn't being facetious.  The 'we have less utility' shows up in a lot of places, and I'm always curious about how people value utility vs. combat.  

Tesha

I feel really bad for the people who go bard thinking it is ridiculously easy.

Azuhi

Tesha said:

I feel really bad for the people who go bard thinking it is ridiculously easy.

I didn't mean to say it's easy, it's merely a class I've never been before or should I go Sentinel for the 10th time?

Tesha

Sentinel. Bard is not for casual combat, at all. 

Ruth

Bard is fun combat, takes a little bit of time to learn to utilize it well. Sentinel traps are cool. I used to enjoy trapping mhaldor isle mountainside and have Penwize jumping me because it hit him.

Terra

Ruth said:

Bard is fun combat, takes a little bit of time to learn to utilize it well. Sentinel traps are cool. I used to enjoy trapping mhaldor isle mountainside and have Penwize jumping me because it hit him.

Sentinel traps don't hurt as much as magi traps!

Mizik

Mmmm Sentinel

Molokini

Relevant combat log.  Monk has 15 strength.  I'm level 79, and pretty fat for the level (15 con in Viridian with all possible Sylvan stuff minus concoction sip bonus).  This spar lasted almost exactly one minute; I was prepped in seven combos that bypass parry via roundhouse.  This is the end, and it begins with me on full health & no torso damage with an icewall to the west.  I'm also on the edge of two arena areas, not that it ended up mattering.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.289]: Your aura of weapons rebounding disappears.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.291]: You command the razor-edged thorny vines around you to lash out and rend the right leg of Rom.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.297]: 4171h, 3436m, 17571e, 15808w cxkdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.300]: Rom drops to the floor and sweeps his legs round at you.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.302]: Rom knocks your legs out from under you and sends you sprawling to the floor.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.303]: Rom balls up one fist and hammerfists you.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.304]: He connects to the left leg!

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.306]: Your left leg is greatly damaged from the beating.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.307]: Rom balls up one fist and hammerfists you.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.309]: He connects to the right leg!

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.310]: Your right leg is greatly damaged from the beating.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.314]: 3543h, 3436m, 17571e, 15808w cxkdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.316]: You must regain equilibrium first.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.318]: 3543h, 3436m, 17571e, 15808w cxkdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.445]: You must regain equilibrium first.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.448]: 3543h, 3436m, 17571e, 15808w cxkdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.522]: You take a long drag off your pipe.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.525]: 3543h, 3436m, 17571e, 15808w cxkdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.638]: You eat some irid moss.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.641]: You feel your health and mana replenished.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.646]: 3876h, 3697m, 17571e, 15808w cxkdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.649]: You remove 1 irid moss, bringing the total in the Rift to 399.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.651]: 3876h, 3697m, 17571e, 15808w cxkdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.793]: You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your legs.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:45.798]: 3876h, 3697m, 17571e, 15808w cxkdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:46.531]: Rom takes a drink from an oaken vial.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:46.536]: 3876h, 3697m, 17571e, 15808w cxkdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:47.049]: You may drink another health or mana elixir or tonic.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:47.053]: 3876h, 3697m, 17581e, 15814w cxkdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:47.409]: You must regain equilibrium first.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:47.413]: 3876h, 3697m, 17581e, 15814w cxkdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:47.525]: Rom eats some irid moss.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:47.530]: 3876h, 3697m, 17581e, 15814w cxkdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:47.861]: You have recovered equilibrium.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:47.866]: 3876h, 3697m, 17581e, 15814w cexkdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:48.298]: Rom moves in towards you in a grabbing posture.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:48.300]: Rom lifts you triumphantly into the air, then yanks you down into his raised knee with back breaking force.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:48.303]: 1555h, 3697m, 17581e, 15814w cexkdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:48.464]: You take a drink from a black-walnut vial.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:48.467]: The elixir heals and soothes you.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:48.470]: 2174h, 3697m, 17581e, 15804w cexkdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:48.579]: You begin to tumble agilely to the west.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:48.584]: 2174h, 3697m, 17581e, 15804w cekdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:49.648]: Your left leg feels stronger and healthier.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:49.652]: You may apply another salve or balm to yourself.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:49.657]: 2174h, 3697m, 17581e, 15804w cekdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:49.807]: You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your legs.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:49.810]: The bones in your left leg mend.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:49.813]: 2174h, 3697m, 17581e, 15804w cekdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:49.925]: The angry swarm of bees descends upon Rom and stings him in multiple places.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:49.928]: Rom bursts into flame as a fiery efreeti spins into him.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:49.932]: 2174h, 3697m, 17581e, 15804w cekdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:50.038]: Rom takes some balm from a vial and rubs it on his body.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:50.040]: 2174h, 3697m, 17581e, 15804w cekdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:50.658]: You say, "Ah damn."

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:50.663]: 2174h, 3697m, 17581e, 15804w cekdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:50.773]: You may apply another salve or balm to yourself.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:50.778]: 2174h, 3697m, 17581e, 15816w cekdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:50.942]: You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your legs.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:50.947]: 2174h, 3697m, 17581e, 15816w cekdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:51.055]: Rom takes a drink from an oaken vial.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:51.058]: 2174h, 3697m, 17591e, 15816w cekdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:51.494]: You may eat another bit of irid moss or potash.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:51.499]: 2174h, 3697m, 17591e, 15804w cekdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:51.677]: You eat some irid moss.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:51.680]: You feel your health and mana replenished.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:51.684]: 2507h, 3697m, 17591e, 15804w cekdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:51.791]: You remove 1 irid moss, bringing the total in the Rift to 398.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:51.793]: 2507h, 3697m, 17591e, 15804w cekdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:52.072]: Rom gives a mighty yell, then suddenly looks about sharply seemingly drained yet refreshed.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:52.077]: 2507h, 3697m, 17591e, 15804w cekdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:52.185]: A look of extreme focus crosses the face of Rom.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:52.188]: 2507h, 3697m, 17591e, 15804w cekdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:52.302]: Rom takes a long drag off his oaken pipe.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:52.307]: 2507h, 3697m, 17591e, 15804w cekdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:52.869]: You may drink another health or mana elixir or tonic.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:52.873]: 2507h, 3697m, 17591e, 15794w cekdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:52.983]: Rom gives a mighty yell, then suddenly looks about sharply seemingly drained yet refreshed.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:52.987]: 2507h, 3697m, 17591e, 15794w cekdb-

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:53.106]: Rom kicks his leg high and scythes downwards at you.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:53.109]: He connects to the head!

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:53.112]: Your mind feels suddenly dulled and slow.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:53.113]: Rom launches a powerful uppercut at you.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:53.115]: He connects to the head!

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:53.116]: You have been slain by Rom.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:53.118]: **********************************************************

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:53.119]: You have been defeated and are thrown out of the Arena.

[16/06/2013 - 15:50:53.121]: **********************************************************

So Rom did land an almost perfectly timed break combo from the thornrend, but he had a larger window in which he could have comboed and still gotten the axk in before I made it out.  I'm not sure what more I can do, and I'm not even close to being able to tank that (there were still two punches coming).  Even if I did, in most scenarios you can't guarantee being able to tumble into a different area or having an icewall up, which means you're most likely going to eat a choke/mind crush/jpk.  This is why monks keep getting nerfed- look how fast I (a relatively tanky midbie) was obliterated with a very basic setup and thirty seconds of prep that involves hitting the key to do roundhouse/hfp left/hfp right seven times.  When you consider being able to use several extremely powerful abilities while prone/entangled/paralysed as well, people start raising eyebrows.  Anyway, thought I'd share a quick log from the middle/bottom of the pack.  Suggestions welcome.

Tesha

Just think, you would have died quicker if he enfeeble/axekicked. The counter I used against monk breaks was to tumble and force them to choose between rushing for a kill or chasing and trying to kill without stance, but now they can chase without losing stance. My best advice would be to try and keep an icewall up to tumble behind on break, but most monks will not break you with something like that up. 

You are not a class that uses weapons, so he has no need to use rebounding, and therefore you cannot self-break when he goes on the defensive. He has the blunt icon, so his damage will be ridiculous. You are not a monk, so you cannot kai cripple prone or anything silly like that, and even if you had a mount, he could just banish it and still enfeeble.

I would probably just link him a really funny video and break torso/heartseed.

Daslin

I just use mind paralyse and cripple to stop insta kills.