class help

Zedsdead

Can anyone suggest a class that scales well when artied out, is good at 1v1 and is good at killing ppl that run away?

Zedsdead

Also not interested in monk

Jovolo

Occultist

Also blademaster but why do that

Tesha

oops, you do not want monk! Um. You can try occultist, that is pretty good at 1v1, tentacles are great for chasing, star/warp is good damage. And if you start losing you can pit.

Zedsdead

Are occies one of the classes that scale well with arties? Is there a lot of room for innovation with them (finding creative ways to kill ppl)

Mizik

Zedsdead said:

Hello. Where is Monk?

Occultist

Magi

Alchemist, surprisingly, fits your criteria

Mizik

I kind of want to try Alchemist now. That homunculus is like super mega fly stopping tents.

Order humunculus go e;throw concussionbomb e

mind blown

Jovolo

Zedsdead said:

Are occies one of the classes that scale well with arties? Is there a lot of room for innovation with them (finding creative ways to kill ppl)

Yeah. Almost all their damage is magical and/or int. The former you can increase by 20% and the latter you can get +3 intelligent artifacts. A lot of their damage is also passive, and you can use your own balance to hinder and damage. Tentacles have a 1/3 chance (roughly?) to prevent movement out of the room. If a person is standing outside, even in their own city, you can basically kill them no matter what due to star tarot + area warp (Both scaling with artifacts) by going to a room without guards.

Zedsdead

Is occie bashing horrible even with arties?

Jovolo

It's not horrible (especially not with arties)

Echald

Nothing is horrible with enough arties.

Sultani

Isn't warp actually pretty powerful? Maybe not compared to Monk stuff but I think the damage is pretty decent. Occultist recieves great benefit from the Collar as it effects quite a few of their abilities.

Zedsdead

Does BM not fit my criteria? Aren't they good at 1v1 and hamstring for runners?

Sidonia

Mizik said:

I kind of want to try Alchemist now. That homunculus is like super mega fly stopping tents.

Order humunculus go e;throw concussionbomb e

mind blown

If you're talking about torso (movement blocking), it's supposed to only work when alchemist is in the room with it. Dunno how it works in actuality.

Eld

Zedsdead said:

Does BM not fit my criteria? Aren't they good at 1v1 and hamstring for runners?

Blademaster is strong 1v1, and yes, hamstring is good for preventing people running. As for arties, I guess it depends on what you mean by "scales well". Bands are great, but there aren't many other artefacts that make any bigger difference for blademasters than they do for any other class. So the difference between no artefacts and lots of artefacts is smaller for blademaster than for a lot of classes.

Sylvance

Eld said:

Zedsdead said:

Does BM not fit my criteria? Aren't they good at 1v1 and hamstring for runners?

Blademaster is strong 1v1, and yes, hamstring is good for preventing people running. As for arties, I guess it depends on what you mean by "scales well". Bands are great, but there aren't many other artefacts that make any bigger difference for blademasters than they do for any other class. So the difference between no artefacts and lots of artefacts is smaller for blademaster than for a lot of classes.

That said, the difference between, say, an unbanded and a lv3 banded BM is pretty sick, though he's still gotta know what he's doing.

Bluef

Zedsdead said:

Can anyone suggest a class that scales well when artied out, is good at 1v1 and is good at killing ppl that run away?

Shaman. 

Santar

Zedsdead said:

Is occie bashing horrible even with arties?

Occie bashing is one of the fastest in the game, especially when artied.

Naisar

We really need someone to sit down and crunch the bashing numbers on each class.  Speed / tankiness / artie scaling.  Actually now I think of it this forum could really use a FAQ.

Mishgul

yeah sena, the forums could really use an FAQ

Eld

Naisar said:

We really need someone to sit down and crunch the bashing numbers on each class.  Speed / tankiness / artie scaling.  Actually now I think of it this forum could really use a FAQ.

If you just want DPS with base stats (12 str/int depending on class) and average weapon stats, that shouldn't be too hard. Artie scaling a little trickier, but probably not too bad if, again, you just want to know how much faster you can bash with whatever arties will benifit you. Don't know how you would quantify tankiness, though, as there are so many potential contributions to it.

Mizik

Santar said:

Zedsdead said:

Is occie bashing horrible even with arties?

Occie bashing is one of the fastest in the game, especially when artied.

Lolno

Assuming unartied, otherwise Serpent/Jester bump up over Occie. Priest is balls no matter what, and Decay is a joke, comparatively.

Only taking tanking into consideration with comparable abilities (Staffcast, Warp, Iron), but reflections > improved crits.

Monk
Bard
Blademaster
Runewarden
Infernal
Paladin
Shaman
Sentinel
Druid
Sylvan
Magi
Alchemist
Occultist
Priest
Serpent
Jester
Apostate

Occultist one of the worst. Then factor in tanking etc

Kyrra

Sylvan bashing is sooo slow. I don't really want to fork out credits for aldar wassits just to speed up equilibrium a bit.

I'd honestly put garotte above thornrend, but I'd be garotting with a level 3 lash and that's like dsling with SPs. Thornrend just sucks

Mizik

Thornrend is very fast eq.

Jamethiel

Occultist / Dragon - hunt as dragon. Kill in both depending on your mood

Dunn

But bash to dragon in like... Monk. You could always just go Occie and raid to dragon. That's what I did and it was good fun.

Melodie

Psssh. That's cheating, Dunn. Lrn2priest. Uphill both ways. In the snow.

And excommunicated from 92-100.

Santar

Nvm.

Dunn

I was truedisfavoured for a week when I got dragon. (Thanks, Tanris)

Cynlael

Kyrra said:

Sylvan bashing is sooo slow. I don't really want to fork out credits for aldar wassits just to speed up equilibrium a bit.

I'd honestly put garotte above thornrend, but I'd be garotting with a level 3 lash and that's like dsling with SPs. Thornrend just sucks

Um... Thornrend is like 2.8 without a Diadem...

Silly willpower, on the other hand.

Seftin

Just join mhaldor and city raid when targossas is asleep to get dragon.