Removing BLOODLINE SHOW <thing>

Mishgul

As someone who loves family based things, I find that BLOODLINE SHOW is a huge inhibitor when it comes to starting a family. I completely agree that bloodlines should last for life and should never be removed, however I don't think it's necessary or relevant that everyone can see who your kids/parents/grandparents. 

I think it would be better for the game if it was scrapped you can only see who your parents and kids are with BLOODLINE, and you'd have to find out about grandparents/grandchildren/siblings etc. through word of mouth.

I guess this is just my opinion as someone who tends to get shunned for having a bit of a colourful background from when I was a lot more immature. I think it would take away something which I think is negative for people and the game.

Sylvance

+1 to anything that makes less information about every damned person available. It's bad enough that, without ever having met or heard of somebody, I can tell whether or not they've brought song back to Bopolopia, but a full family tree? FML.

If this is implemented (which I hope it is), you should still be able to access these full records (for a fee?) at the place in Delos where you register bloodlines, though.

Berenene

I like the idea of removing the whole listing of ones bloodline from the command, however, as someone who quite enjoys looking over family trees and the different branches, I think it would be a shame if this sort of thing was lost completely.  While it doesn't make sense to be able to call up a list of someones bloodline on a whim, it does make sense that the bloodline registry, as the place you go to to register family members, would keep records of it, and if you wanted to see the extended family tree of a particular person, you would need to go to the vaults of the registry.

Mishgul

that sounds alright. I would still like information to not be easy to come by, but if there is a need for it then sure.

Sylvance

In the meantime, we need to make families relevant to Achaea. So if you're related to somebody, they shouldn't fill an Ally slot, and the cost of earrings between you should be significantly reduced.

[spoiler] No... I'm not serious... [/spoiler]

Seftin

Nevermind rerread what you wrote again and does make sense.

Eiredhel

Then how am I supposed to make overly bitchy choices in who to finally pick for Eiredhel's family Mishgul?! 

But in all seriousness, this is a great idea... or make it so that the full information can only be accessed city records, like birth certificates or something like that. Much more immersive, then I'd have to pay off city officials to get all the dirt on who is who's daddy.

Orzaansyn

I like that everyone knows who is my mother.

Sylvance

Orzaansyn said:

I like that everyone knows who is my mother.

You're seriously gonna say something like that on these forums..?

Eld

Orzaansyn said:

I like that everyone knows who is my mother.

That one's pretty easy to deduce based on the surname and house affiliation, and that would be true for a lot of cases. 

Sena

I agree with making it only accessible from the bloodline registry for a fee (maybe 10k for BLOODLINE SHOW <person>, or only 2k to show the relation between two specific people (something that's not currently possible)), but not removing it entirely.

Silas

If it cost 10k and you had to be at the bloodline registry, it would be used so infrequently you might as well just delete it entirely.

Sylvance

Then suggest a better cost?

Goggo

tbh I love tracking bloodlines of people, I'd hate to see this gone

Sarapis

Unlikely that we're going to remove this, but moving it to a bloodline registry and charging a small (1k or something) fee per use could be done someday. "The Gnomes of the Achaean Genealogical Society process your request and show you the recorded bloodline of Sir Lovesalot, Knight of Horedom"

Mishgul

Delphinus

Mishgul said:

I think it would be better for the game if it was scrapped you can only see who your parents and kids are with BLOODLINE, and you'd have to find out about grandparents/grandchildren/siblings etc. through word of mouth.

There's nothing to keep people from following it up the tree, in that case -- checking the parent's parent's parent's parents.

Hayte

Orzaansyn said:

I like that everyone "knows" my mother.

Mishgul

Delphinus said:

Mishgul said:

I think it would be better for the game if it was scrapped you can only see who your parents and kids are with BLOODLINE, and you'd have to find out about grandparents/grandchildren/siblings etc. through word of mouth.

There's nothing to keep people from following it up the tree, in that case -- checking the parent's parent's parent's parents.

no i meant, you could only see your own parents/kids, not other people.

Sarapis

Mishgul said:

Hey man, you can't pick your family (more than once!). 

Mishgul

i can hide them though

Sarapis

Not in Achaea you can't! We have the magics.

Anaidiana

Also, wouldn't this negate that one-off artefact (that they made three of) a few auctions ago?

Kyrra

I like being able to trace my family line. I was quite surprised when coming back from dormancy that Kyrra's great something granddaughter was in her order, and I only really picked up on that because I randomly follow bloodlines and saw my name at the very top of her tree.

Didn't change much regarding interaction or anything else besides a small pleasure that a lot of my family line followed Selene and wasn't super prominent like the Inamoras or Vorondils.

I don't think bloodlines should be hidden away. The families of Achaea are quite fascinating and there is so much history behind some of them.

Katzchen

I like the idea of having to travel to the bloodline office, and maybe pay a small fee to see it. No more than 1000g though. Those who bought the artefact could still be hidden from the bloodline registry office checks that way.

Ruth

We need Lusternia's family tree system, where you can disown/leave the family you were born in to start a new one, if you wish, to start a new one.

That being said, I don't actually mind that BLOODLINE SHOW exists. (Those people who bought the artefacts that obscure this would probably be angry) but I like the idea of having the records dumped at the bloodline registry.

Sarapis

@Ruth That isn't a system for tracking "biological" connections, which is what bloodlines are. Changing who you call 'mom' doesn't change who your biological mother is. 

The idea that you should be able to go back in time and change who your parents are, thus unilaterally imposing the same change on every single person descended from you whether they want it or not, is never going to happen. 

I hear you guys asking for Achaea to have consequences for your decisions a lot. This is one of those consequences! 

Xith

I like the idea of restricting BLOODLINE SHOW to the registry location. Seems simple.