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  • TrileobeTrileobe Member Posts: 33 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    I've always wondered is newbie channel ooc? cause could of sworn saw someone over that way yesterday asking to compare Aetolia and Achaea
  • TharvisTharvis The Land of Beer and Chocolate!Member Posts: 3,107 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    from help channel :
    Newbie channel is for questions and answers about how to play the game: no
    chatting please. Due to its nature, it is entirely possible that some questions
    may be entirely OOC in scope. We recommend turning this channel off if you do
    not wish to be exposed to OOC communications from new players "learning the
    ropes."

    so yes, newbie can be OOC, but most OOC questions asked on newbie will end up being handled in tells

    Aurora says, "Tharvis, why are you always breaking things?!"
    Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh."
    Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."

  • TrileobeTrileobe Member Posts: 33 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    @Tharvis‌ Ahhh i always just assumed OOC for newbie channel was handled by sending tell to Juliet/Romeo
  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United StatesMember Posts: 6,336 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Trileobe said:
    @Antonius‌ forums is half the fun, well until they suck you in and you forget Achaea is a game and not just a bunch of forums people come to rage and talk nonsense

    and @Tesha‌ I'd happily have Tea with everyone but Ashtanis never want to come over for tea i even offer to meet in Cyrene since that is neutral grounds maybe possibly
    The forums are like the Matrix. You've already been awoken to them and now there's no going back. That being said, you, me and a couple cups of tea. And by tea I mean I'll be having rum, naturally, all the while lauding how great Mhaldor is and pointing out why you should leave Neo-Shallam Targossas and join Team Evil.


    Jeslyn
  • SarapisSarapis Member, Administrator Posts: 3,402 Achaean staff
    They should never be reprimanded for being OOC on the newbie channel. That's what it's there for.

    Perhaps an OOCTell is in order, with the option to allow people to turn it off so that they can't receive them if they don't want to get OOC tells.

    For myself, I've never found it difficult to just use tells for both IC and OOC and never had a problem telling the difference (just like with messages), but I can see where an OOCTell option would keep things clear for people. I will say that as far as I'm concerned though, if we put it in and you use OOCtell to harass someone or insult someone, I'd have no issue with treating it exactly like an IC tell and it resulting in PK.
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  • SeverinaSeverina Member Posts: 96 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Sarapis said:

    ...

     I will say that as far as I'm concerned though, if we put it in and you use OOCtell to harass someone or insult someone, I'd have no issue with treating it exactly like an IC tell and it resulting in PK.
    Please make it okay to apply the above to OOC clans.
  • NimNim Member Posts: 2,015 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Being harassed OOCly sounds more like grounds for IGNORE or ISSUEing than PKing, to me... unless you're implying actual murder, which I advise against because RL pk rules might be open-ended on the divine level, but player orgs make Cyrene (PKing) and Targossas (hunting) both look overly lenient.
    Tharvis
  • SarapisSarapis Member, Administrator Posts: 3,402 Achaean staff
    I've been very tempted to, Severina.

    Personally, as a God, I don't care where you say something. If it says, "Severina says" then that's good enough for me - Severina said it. Makes no difference to me that it's in a clan considered OOC. Likewise, if you send me a nasty message prefaced with OOC, it makes not a whit of difference to me that you're sending it OOCly. I will ICly zap you or <fill in the blank punishment meted out by Sarapis>.
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  • MathonwyMathonwy Member Posts: 921 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    In re: OOC tells:

    The people who rage in says after dying aren't gonna stop raging in says because there's an OOC method they should be using. Similarly, the people who rage at people in tells aren't going to not rage at them because their OOCTells are off; they'll just use regular tells.

    Like it seems like it would be implemented because of some edge cases (that could be handled now via issues), but those edge cases would continue to exist in spite of the mechanic (and would anyway because Achaea's cultural mores look down on issuing, even if it's legitimate).
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  • IocunIocun Member Posts: 3,664 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Mathonwy said:
    In re: OOC tells:

    The people who rage in says after dying aren't gonna stop raging in says because there's an OOC method they should be using. Similarly, the people who rage at people in tells aren't going to not rage at them because their OOCTells are off; they'll just use regular tells.

    Like it seems like it would be implemented because of some edge cases (that could be handled now via issues), but those edge cases would continue to exist in spite of the mechanic (and would anyway because Achaea's cultural mores look down on issuing, even if it's legitimate).
    Well, I don't see OOCTells as a means to enforce better IC/OOC separation, but more as an "educative tool".

    Sure, some people already separate IC and OOC very clearly, while others will never get the distinction, no matter what mechanics you add, but to many who lie somewhere between those extremes, the mere existence of two separate forms of tell may well help to engrain the concept of separating your IC persona from your real self, even more so when newbies are being guided to using both for their intended purpose from the get-go.
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  • JulesJules Member Posts: 2,169 @ - Epic Achaean
    OOCTells as the main (perhaps in many cases only) way to have OOC chatter seems like it will result in tears.  If something like this is going to happen, I really do think everyone will be happiest with some sort of totally OOC org channel/org channels.  That way when someone pisses them off they can vent to their fellow org members rather than rashly sending some PK God tells that will result in further ass whoopings - of course, that means we actually have to be understanding and let them vent most of the time.  Also, if you guys start allowing people to treat OOCTells as something they can PK for, ooooo boy.  It seems to really fly in the face of how you've historically handled IC vs. OOC when it comes to PK.  There will be many tears, and some of them will probably be Lathis'.  It's your game though!  
  • SeverinaSeverina Member Posts: 96 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Nim said:
    Being harassed OOCly sounds more like grounds for IGNORE or ISSUEing than PKing, to me... unless you're implying actual murder, which I advise against because RL pk rules might be open-ended on the divine level, but player orgs make Cyrene (PKing) and Targossas (hunting) both look overly lenient.
    While I understand their purpose and for the most part agree with their existence, IGNORE and ISSUE both ultimately serve to artificially limit interaction and the ability to check someone's (anti)social behaviour via typical means.

    Given that the methods available in-game and any one person's power or skill in their use (both 'physical' and social) are pretty artificial as well (I doubt there's much parity between the capabilities of a player and the character they play), I don't really mind the artificial mechanisms of IGNORE/ISSUE being in place.

    Still, sometimes it would be nice to be able to just throw an elbow when clan chatter (or other OOC communication) turns into xbawks shit-talking just for the sake of holding someone accountable in a self-regulating social atmosphere.

    The status quo is fine, I just feel it may be more interesting to have a softer line between 'this is all acceptable, deal with it' and 'seeya, leafy'.
    Lisbethae
  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United StatesMember Posts: 6,336 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Sarapis said:
    I've been very tempted to, Severina.

    Personally, as a God, I don't care where you say something. If it says, "Severina says" then that's good enough for me - Severina said it. Makes no difference to me that it's in a clan considered OOC. Likewise, if you send me a nasty message prefaced with OOC, it makes not a whit of difference to me that you're sending it OOCly. I will ICly zap you or <fill in the blank punishment meted out by Sarapis>.
    I have an issue with this when it comes to certain methods of communication, such as HT, HNT, CT, and says. If it's in a party, tell, message, or clan, I don't concern myself with it much. I generally use Parties while sailing as a means of OOC communication so it's not just a bunch of people sitting on a ship in awkward silence (which is rarely an issue if you're sailing with @Herenicus, but still).

    When it comes to tells and messages still, I tend to indicate an OOC nature by prefixing it with '//'.

    And if people just rage and/or attempt to harass me for whatever reason, I'll disregard them and mark them down as someone not to interact with. If they keep going, I'll eventually utilize the IGNORE feature. It's worked liked a charm for the only person I had to ignore: Dajio.



  • KayeilKayeil Washington StateMember Posts: 2,824 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I think you'd be doing yourself a disfavour by sticking to one mentor. My character has had a handful over the course of her lifetime for varying reasons and lengths of time. Though I've pretty much reached all my goals at this point, next to being my very close friend I also still consider @Seragorn‌ to be my ongoing mentor and I am not sure if that'll ever change. He still always has much to teach, and I enjoy learning from him.
    What doesn't kill you gives you exp.

    Nim
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