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Automation - be careful
Anytus yoinked me to a room to help me fix a non-related bug (my prismatic ring doesn't work) earlier, and noticed that my "do-repeat" function on SVO continued to try using my bashing attack on a skeleton several times.
This isn't a character assassination or anything, but I was is immediately accused of auto-bashing and very narrowly avoided 30 days of shrubbing (first ever record of this occurring on any of my characters in 13 years).
I clearly and openly stated that I was in no way automating anything, by my (and what I think the normal) definition of automation. I was simply using my 'dor <combo> skeleton' function in SVO to repeat hitting it until it died. If I walk away from my keyboard, at most, one denizen will die.
According to Anytus, this is in fact automation and is punishable by 30 days shrubbing on first offense, and permanent ban if it ever comes up again.
I asked him if he minded if I post this, and he said it was ok. I just wanted to warn people about this, because as far as I know, using 'dor' in SVO, or the equivalent, to bash, is used by about 90% of the playerbase, on a regular basis.
This isn't a debate or anything, the admin stance on this was just made pretty clear. I will say, however, that I don't agree with it, I don't like it, and I don't think anybody in the game cares if anybody else is using 'dor kill <denizen>' to bash.
So, I hope I'm helping a person or two by throwing this out there. If the game staff noticing you using 'dor' or any other simple balance repeater, you could get shrubbed/banned.
This isn't a character assassination or anything, but I was is immediately accused of auto-bashing and very narrowly avoided 30 days of shrubbing (first ever record of this occurring on any of my characters in 13 years).
I clearly and openly stated that I was in no way automating anything, by my (and what I think the normal) definition of automation. I was simply using my 'dor <combo> skeleton' function in SVO to repeat hitting it until it died. If I walk away from my keyboard, at most, one denizen will die.
According to Anytus, this is in fact automation and is punishable by 30 days shrubbing on first offense, and permanent ban if it ever comes up again.
I asked him if he minded if I post this, and he said it was ok. I just wanted to warn people about this, because as far as I know, using 'dor' in SVO, or the equivalent, to bash, is used by about 90% of the playerbase, on a regular basis.
This isn't a debate or anything, the admin stance on this was just made pretty clear. I will say, however, that I don't agree with it, I don't like it, and I don't think anybody in the game cares if anybody else is using 'dor kill <denizen>' to bash.
So, I hope I'm helping a person or two by throwing this out there. If the game staff noticing you using 'dor' or any other simple balance repeater, you could get shrubbed/banned.
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So now I'm SDF'd, and I will almost certainly never bash again.
If you relate manually casting to manually initiating each NPC (they take about 8 seconds to kill for me, on average), then that's exactly what I do did, and I'm pretty sure it's what most of the people who play Achaea do. It stops when I kill something, then I move on and find something else to kill. That's not automation in my book, and never has been.
Most people I know, including myself use a do-repeat function for everything from hunting to forging to whatever.
Most all of the public systems and hunting scripts on the forums use this as well.
Not really sure why you got punished for this but I think a clear ruling on the matter would be helpful as probably three quarters of the playerbase or more are guilty of this.
I have yet to use do-repeat when bashing. Hope they shrub people that do. Too many auto-bashers around.
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If they want to make this automation, then whatever, I simply won't bash. But popping up out of nowhere in a community that frequently and openly uses this function (I've seen it all the time in logs, in conversations, in clans), and stating that I'm going to be shrubbed for a month for using it is pretty uncalled for.
If anything, it's an unclear issue. I think they should un-fuzz the rule before they start shrubbing people who don't realize they're even breaking the rules (if indeed they are).
Hirst said:
Because if I initiate a fight with an NPC, then walk away, the NPC will be dead in the next 5 seconds. Then my character will continue sitting there doing nothing.
That isn't automation.
There are certainly people in this game who clear entire areas (islands & meropis come to mind) completely automatically. I've caught them doing it, and have done crap like place icewalls in their route just for lulz.
That is automation. That is cheating. That should be what people get in trouble for.
When Anytus pulled me aside, I noticed within seconds and responded. To me, that alone should mean it isn't automation. I can definitely say that on dozens of occassions I've had people bashing/forging get back to me like 15 minutes later with "My bad, I was bashing/forging, what's up?".
I'm actually with Ernam here. The only real difference between using dor and leaning on enter with an alias is that you can talk to clans or use tells or something with dor going in the background. Real automation is different from that.
I assume you use a system that will continue to cure for you when you get up and leave your computer? Everyone uses automation at varying levels. Do Repeat isn't even strictly as automated as that, because it's limited to a single room. Creating a mapper that moves along and captures things to bash on info here would be a good example of actual auto bashing. This is just a bad ruling
I can also kill 90% of the underworld (one at a time) by queing six attacks, and walking away from my keyboard. Is that automation?
I completely agree, and I intend on speaking with someone higher up about it (I hope this SDF will be removed so I can play again).
The reason I made the thread was to warn people about this in the mean time, until someone like Sarapis or Tecton clarifies the rule.
I always thought the admin only went after egregious offenders because they have no hope of enforcing it on a broader scale due to a MUD's lack of client control. While using a bashing attack on repeat is against the letter of the law, it's either 1) not against the spirit or 2) the spirit is dumb. Coming down on people using very basic tools only meant to get rid of mashing a key thousands of times isn't doing anyone any good. Achaea's bashing is horrifically repetitive, is it really desirable to go after everyone who isn't interested in carpal tunnel? I never believed the administration really cared about automation that much, what with running into all the really young dragons who suddenly cease their bashing and spend ten minutes twiddling their thumbs when they run into an icewall.
The anti-automation law is necessary but unenforceable, Anytus dropped the ball when he made such a minor infraction an issue.
Also, doesn't svo come with a key bound to toggling do-repeat bashing?
@anytus Picking up one out of the 95% people of achaea who does this and SDF'ing them is hardly fair. I've your going to have a policy you need to enforce it evenly and fairly.
I think Rangor is asking for a SDF.
If you said it like that then I can understand why Anytus might have gone overboard and handed out the sdf. Not the hitting it until it dies, but walking away from your keyboard where DOR would continue to kill any skeleton in the room until none was left.
Still undue punishment if you responded in seconds, for all he knows you could have been writing a really long sentence as a tell or something and wanted to get that finished so that you didn't have to type it all out again.
Looking at my log, it took me about four seconds to respond, which included me typing out saying hello to Anytus, and the time it took me to realize what the hell was happening (being summoned etc).
No they don't actually. That being said, I don't see how using a Do Repeat function for things like bashing, fishing, forging, etc is a big deal. So long as there's something that will happen within the chain that will keep it from looping indefinitely. For instance, setting up triggers to attack someone based on it's entrance announce or based on a trigger hit of it being seen in the room would be automation (lot of people tend to try that for ratting), especially if you go through the trouble like I've seen one person do and set up a random map walk path around an area to do it.
On another note entirely, I find the idea of me personally auto-bashing pretty funny, solely based on the frequency of being attacked. Ernam is a pretty popular target. Autobashing in a treacherous plane would be suicide.
I'm afraid to AFK inside Targossas on a guard stack (been killed doing exactly that several times), so there's no way I'd ever AFK in a treacherous plane.
To an extent, it is, actually, but is it reasonably acceptable? I think so. Unless you have triggers to auto-attack others that walk into the room you're in or as soon as you walk into a room and see them, then I really don't see it being a problem.
The admin team doesn't discuss a player's infractions with other players. However, for those who are concerned, here is relevant pointer.
If you hunt through a number of rooms ignoring admin attempts to get your attention, your character will undergo some close examination on whether you have been auto-hunting. If your character was hunting along and you say you weren't paying attention, you have been auto-hunting.
If you can take your hands away from the keyboard and it keeps going, it's automation, but if you're paying attention and controlling the character, and responding when an admin is talking to you, you're not going to run into problems.
With that, I am closing this thread.