Order Traits

Kenway

With the discussion of new Minor Traits and the talk of revamping the current Racial Traits(totally agree with this), I started thinking it would be interesting to see Order traits. The obvious risk being that they might sway people to join an Order just for the respective trait so to that end I suggest they be relatively small. Obviously they should pertain to the Order they belong to and perhaps have three tiers for different ranks among the Order.

Good idea, bad idea? Say what you think. If you like it or even if you don't, if you have a good idea list it.

Order of Aegis - Warbound - Reduces experience cost from PvP death by 2%

Order of Phaestus - Work While You Play - Balance cost for forging decreases slightly for each level of alcohol stat message. (assuming the middle ground was in the right place, death and unconsciousness would keep this from giving too much advantage.)

Order of Thoth - Slightly more essence from offering the undead.

Just examples.

Daslin

...What about those of us who are Phaestean but don't/can't forge? That would seriously just cause EVERY knight class to come to Phaestus' Order like OMG I WANT GEWD STATZ!!!

I think it's been brought up before anyways.

Kenway

@Daslin those were just examples. 

Though I didn't think of that. 

Apparently I'm not very considerate of non-knights.

Daslin

@Kenway never are! Mr. Epteth. Anyways. It was kinda touched on when someone brought up Order Items. Giving bonuses and such.

Nizaris

With some of the specific examples brought forward here, some of them are so niche so as to only be of minor benefit, while also being quite fitting. @Daslin's fair objection notwithstanding, the particular suggestion regarding small bonuses to drunk knights while forging just sounds pretty BA.

In all seriousness, though, I think that bonuses for order members, if implemented, ought to be especially niche, and RP-oriented, with as little combat implications as possible. Otherwise, absolutely not.

Though, I wouldn't mind seeing something along the lines of a favoured enemy for all orders, like Thoth and the undead suggestion.

Kenway

Remind me to get @Nizaris to write all my threads from now on.

That's totally what I meant with this. Just things that are 'nice' for the order members to have. Nothing that would benefit enough to cause major differences. Also immediately after writing that I though of favoured enemies from D&D. Sounds awesome to me. Though Good/Evil Gods seem like they'd have waaayyy more options for favoured enemies than say, Phaestus Who might have the Siroccian  orcs.... and... uhh... comm shop owners who don't stock coal?

Nizaris

Re: favoured enemies. I'm in support of low-level enemies being selected across the board, like in hunting spots fitting for a level 50 character or so, that would help a new character play "catch up" with more established ones. That way, a level 80-something would still get more essence out of their respective hunting grounds than the ones frequented by lower-level characters.

Alternatively, favoured enemies could be (ideally exclusively) those specifically protected by an opposing faction. For example, Mhaldor is formally allied with Enverren and Black Rock, and these would therefore be great candidates for a Targossian/Eleusian order to be able to hunt for slightly-to-moderately increased essence.

Verrucht

Order of @Neraeos - Speak Tritonic. 

Fendo

Huge misconception with Phaestus/Phaesteans is that we're all drunks and/or drunken forgers. Not quite true, plenty of other organizations that drink more than most of us. We enjoy a good time after a ton of work, sure, but most of us spend the majority of our time working and/or sticking within mountains/around the mountains or working with materials based out of the earth and the like. 

So if I was going to aim for an order trait representing Phaestus, I would look toward a calloused skin/toughened skin or dirt coverage from being in mountains/underground so often for a minimal cutting resistance bonus like 1 or 2.

And on a side note, have you ever even tried to forge drunk? It is damn near impossible.

Tahquil

Would these theoretically take one of the already allocated trait spot? What happens when you fall from the order? When did just having the honour of BEING in an order become not enough?

Sarapis

This is one of those things that is great in RP but is not workable overall - which orders are reasonably available over the course of time is way too subject to the whims of volunteers starting and quitting. There's just no balancing this in any way, alas.

Kenway

@Serapis, fair enough. Thanks!

Cooper

Stop spelling his name wrong.

Trevize

Honestly, Orders are reward enough, in themselves. At least, the ones I've had characters in.

Cooper

@sylvance he's spelled it wrong in three different threads now. Stop wtfing my posts.

Sylvance

Ah, wasn't aware of that.

EDIT: I changed it to LIKE. Now stop WTFing mine.

Vaehl

Wtf.

Xith

@Surapis

Nizaris

Sourpuss:

Scarlatti

Being in my Order adds a buff to your charisma.

Tahquil

What if you have no charisma to begin with?

Tvistor

Joining Scarlatti's Commune gave me a 7th level Sorceror spell slot.

/nerd

Tahquil

I joined Scarlatti's commune and all I got was this lousy STD.

(<3 Scarlatti)

Achilles

Gift that keeps on giving!

Mathonwy

Scarlatti said:

Being in my Order adds a buff to your charisma.

@Scarlatti - the Paladin's best friend.

Veldrin

Sarapis said:

This is one of those things that is great in RP but is not workable overall - which orders are reasonably available over the course of time is way too subject to the whims of volunteers starting and quitting. There's just no balancing this in any way, alas.

Why can't order traits just be special order emotes? In Tarah's order I had 'tarahug'. the Mitrans had a few others. Instead of the trait doing anything it could just list all the order emotes that the person has access to?

Delphinus

@Veldrin: That sounds like something that would fit neatly in an OHELP file.

Veldrin

Sure it would, but it could also be a trait

Order Member - Your membership in the Divine order of Sartan grants you the following: sartanstare, sartanroar, sartanwriggle

Xith

Veldrin said:

Sure it would, but it could also be a trait

Order Member - Your membership in the Divine order of Sartan grants you the following: sartanstare, sartanroar, sartanwriggle

I will join Mhaldor for the ability to "sartanwriggle".

Tahquil

Sounds like something easily brought up an arranged with and by the specific Divine! Just like Housemotes are currently implemented.

Veldrin

It -is- something easily arranged with the specific Divine, it'd just be a cosmetic 'hey you got stuff!' that you can see via the trait system and not an OHELP file