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  • GaraoGarao Member Posts: 460 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    edited February 2013
    Paladin
    Serpents get impatience D: Serpent has greater variation and can instantly choose between like 4 different strategies depending on how their opponent cures. Shaman is just like, oh you eat goldenseal on straight curses and run away/hinder unprepped tzantza? Oh you cure confusion? Oh you know how to stop salve lock? 

    Shaman is easy as -- to read, serpent less so. 

    Paladin is still better. A good Paladin is a beast, there just haven't been any for a while. Voy D:

  • MishgulMishgul Trondheim, NorwayMember Posts: 5,378 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Serpent
    Yes i did. I do not believe that your opinion about serpent is correct having played as one and against many

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    One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important

    As drawn by Shayde
    hic locus est ubi mors gaudet succurrere vitae
  • IocunIocun Member Posts: 3,691 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited February 2013
    Garao said:
    - oh you eat goldenseal on straight curses
    - run away/hinder unprepped tzantza?
    - Oh you cure confusion?
    - Oh you know how to stop salve lock? 
    Well, there you have four kills against any given person in a row! (More if they don't know how to fix their mistakes after dying once, which applies to like 80% of people.)

    So kill everyone four times, then switch class.

    I agree that shamans are easy to survive, but they do have the unknown-class-bonus of nobody knowing how to fight them because there are so few around and thus manage to kill people the same way alchemists do.
    XithElowin
  • GaraoGarao Member Posts: 460 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Paladin
    Why do you do these things.  :((

  • IocunIocun Member Posts: 3,691 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Do what? Quote you?
  • GaraoGarao Member Posts: 460 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Paladin
    You argue that white is black in front of a blind person

    ShirszaeElowin
  • IocunIocun Member Posts: 3,691 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Are you calling me a liar? :(
    Elowin
  • GaraoGarao Member Posts: 460 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Paladin
    Stop shouting at me :((

    Elowin
  • YueYue Member Posts: 290 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Shaman
    @Mishgul: you seem to be arguing that learning Shaman combat is easier or rather that Serpent combat is more complicated which I would tend to agree with. I think that makes Shaman a more suitable candidate for the OP, given his criteria.

    @Iocun: I agree that shrugging and scales are powerful defenses. I also agree that switching classes after you become effective with one might be a good strategy. How about Shaman then Serpent?
    Garao said:
    Serpent has greater variation and if the newbie player masters curing, develops an intuitive interface to all their skills, understands how other curing systems work, and gets a level 2 dirk can instantly choose between like 4 different strategies depending on how their opponent cures. 
    @Garao: ftfy
  • GaraoGarao Member Posts: 460 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    edited February 2013
    Paladin
    Yue said:
    Garao said:
    Serpent has greater variation if the newbie player TRIES TO LEAR COMBAT, TRIES TO LEAR COMBAT, TRIES TO LEARN COMBAT, and gets a level 2 dirk can instantly choose between like 4 different strategies depending on how their opponent cures. 
    @Garao: ftfy

    Don't fix things for me when you're wrong >( Serpent has greater variation than Shaman, though Shaman is easier than Serpent. In either case, he should go Paladin.
    Holy crap that broke.

  • CaladbolgCaladbolg Campbell County TNMember Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited February 2013
    Blademaster
    Shaman is ALOT easier than serpent. Shaman also doesn't need arties Has Slow lock as an option Can mask cursses and has runelore for more tankyness and radio. However Serpent is more fun and has evade.


    Still Paladin can't get locked, Peity High damage, Demons, banishment because f occies. 4 strength from fury/inspiration get runes that makes 5. Although from my understanding disembowel is extremely hard to get off. Deliver, That thing that lets you travel to people. Damnation is hard to get off (At least in theory never even tried it) and now that races and herb balance has changed I don't think you have to have a 223 rapier to stack herbs. (but don't quote me on that) And when you get into raid combat Bows, Falcon. also cleanse passively strips your targets defenses. along with the falcon. The ability to fight mounted once you get more into the class makes Monks cry.. All around awesomeness.

    Alcinae
  • MishgulMishgul Trondheim, NorwayMember Posts: 5,378 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Serpent
    Serpent does not need arties

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    One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important

    As drawn by Shayde
    hic locus est ubi mors gaudet succurrere vitae
  • CaladbolgCaladbolg Campbell County TNMember Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Blademaster
    Mishgul said:
    Serpent does not need arties
    Well then im doing it wrong cause my 2.25 second dstabs aint killin nobody..Unless they are asleep

  • GaraoGarao Member Posts: 460 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    edited February 2013
    Paladin
    That doesn't mean it doesn't need arties. Disembowel is easy, too

  • YueYue Member Posts: 290 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited February 2013
    Shaman
    Garao said:
    Don't fix things for me when you're wrong >( Serpent has greater variation than Shaman, though Shaman is easier than Serpent. In either case, he should go Paladin.
    once there was a purple alien wearing a hat & I am not wrong


    @mishgul @garao - ok, you guys are right. someone new to combat should definitely start out as a serpent b/c they can kill so many people with their cleverly crafted illusions and their super powerful darkbow(wont work) and by evading out and bashing their opponent with their scales  Hadouken.
  • CaladbolgCaladbolg Campbell County TNMember Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Blademaster
    Garao said:
    That doesn't mean it doesn't need arties. Disembowel is easy, too
    Ment more a level 1-2 torso break dsl. Since just about everyones running around with a reverse limb counter these days or seems like they are.

  • GaraoGarao Member Posts: 460 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Paladin
    @Yue - No Yue said Shaman has greater variation than Serpent, we said that it doesn't. Shaman is easier than Serpent, but that doesn't mean anything if the high end is meh, it's not like he can't learn how to fight as a serpent? It's redundant anyway, because Paladin is the best choice.

  • TvistorTvistor Member Posts: 2,900 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Paladin
    The more I play serpent, the more viable it appears to be completely unartied (but much of that effectiveness definitely falls away against fitness classes). I think paladin is the class for the OP at any rate.
  • YueYue Member Posts: 290 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Shaman
    @Garao: Shaman has greater variation given smaller investment in lessons. Yes. I still support that statement. It being easier does mean something. If something is easier to learn in the beginning, it might increase the odds of actually reaching the high end. So saying, if it's overly complicated to succeed starting out, the point where the high end capability of the class really shines might never be reached. 

    Having started out serpent myself I suggested something with a lower ceiling because I think it would offer a more enjoyable/less painful learning experience in the beginning. When you have outgrown a class, move on to something with greater playing potential.

    I'm suggesting this strategy purely based on two factors: it's the opposite of what I did, so if going back again, I would try something different, and secondly, it is probably a reasonably good way to ease into combat. I enjoy painful learning experiences. So I picked the class that HELP CLASSLIST states is "possibly the trickiest class to play."

    I'm sure serpent is viable without arties. Assuming you have the patience of a brick.

  • CaladbolgCaladbolg Campbell County TNMember Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Blademaster
    Yue said:
    @Garao: Shaman has greater variation given smaller investment in lessons. Yes. I still support that statement. It being easier does mean something. If something is easier to learn in the beginning, it might increase the odds of actually reaching the high end. So saying, if it's overly complicated to succeed starting out, the point where the high end capability of the class really shines might never be reached. 

    Having started out serpent myself I suggested something with a lower ceiling because I think it would offer a more enjoyable/less painful learning experience in the beginning. When you have outgrown a class, move on to something with greater playing potential.

    I'm suggesting this strategy purely based on two factors: it's the opposite of what I did, so if going back again, I would try something different, and secondly, it is probably a reasonably good way to ease into combat. I enjoy painful learning experiences. So I picked the class that HELP CLASSLIST states is "possibly the trickiest class to play."

    I'm sure serpent is viable without arties. Assuming you have the patience of a brick.

    tbh I made my alt a serpent mainly because of the old quote "If you can play serpent you can play any affliction class" and in that sense I came out with "If you can play serpent you can figure out wtf every other class is doing"

    Yue
  • YueYue Member Posts: 290 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Shaman
    tl;dr when you get bored of paly switch to serpent or shaman :)
  • MishgulMishgul Trondheim, NorwayMember Posts: 5,378 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Serpent
    Serpent is easier at a lower level than you guys make it out to be. If you really want to be good 1 v 1 you will find it is 99% attitude, and i think serpent is the most fun AND enlightening class to start out as.

    Shaman is boring in contrast and gets very one dimensional as you get better at combat because its easy to see what a shaman is aiming for.

    Serpent will blossom a lot more as you get better. It will take a lot longer before you reach the status of jaded.

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    One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important

    As drawn by Shayde
    hic locus est ubi mors gaudet succurrere vitae
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  • MishgulMishgul Trondheim, NorwayMember Posts: 5,378 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Serpent
    Paladin justs sad when you start fighting people above level 80, like every other knight class.

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    One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important

    As drawn by Shayde
    hic locus est ubi mors gaudet succurrere vitae
  • YueYue Member Posts: 290 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Shaman
    Mishgul said:
    i think serpent is the most fun AND enlightening class to start out as
    QFT. I completely agree but dat devil's advocate mayn

    also guys, impatience was a trap and you fell for it!!!
  • XerXer LangleyMember Posts: 804
    I think Serpent and Apostate would probably be my favourites classes, and in some ways, wished I started out as them instead of a Shaman. There's definitely a much stiffer wall for Shaman to break into a top-tier level because once you get used to them... you're not scared of them anymore >.>

    Serpent is almost certainly without a doubt more enlightening on the actual combat mechanics of how to kill people. As a Shaman, you will either kill people because they have no clue how to deal with Blight, or kill people with a trick that's easily preventable once you see it coming. With Serpents, you can kill people even if they see the lock/relapse kill coming, if they screw up and you take advantage of it, or you MAKE them screw up by taking advantage of various mechanics, and mindsets about curing. Shaman has to do the same at some point to progress past a certain point, but without the ability to actually kill anyone appropriately defensive. 

    I do think that Knight classes are still interesting though, and that there's a number of things to be explored there - mostly limb break stuff that I haven't had to deal with because I have Mangle >.>

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  • VayneVayne Rhode IslandMember Posts: 1,897 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Runewarden
    Who even plays a Shaman anymore? :(
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  • XerXer LangleyMember Posts: 804
    edited February 2013
    Me.

    (But that's about it)
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  • VayneVayne Rhode IslandMember Posts: 1,897 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Runewarden
    Xer said:
    Me.

    (But that's about it)
    Sad, they are such an interesting class with tons of RP potential.
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  • CaladbolgCaladbolg Campbell County TNMember Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Blademaster
    Vayne said:
    Xer said:
    Me.

    (But that's about it)
    Sad, they are such an interesting class with tons of RP potential.
    There's a few shamans around but I don't think most of them do combat. Affliction combat seems kinda dead combat wise (as in people playing affliction classes)

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