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Nature's Jubilee, Festival of Wild Wonders 825 AF
In case everyone forgot, we are nearing the middle of an Eleusian Festival. READNEWS PUBLIC 20660 has the details, along with several other posts after that for events themselves.
As the current Minister of Culture for Eleusis, I would like to personally thank the garden for not caring at all and dropping other events atop ours, along with not even giving a mention to our festival, yet they can mention another. Thank you for that lovely slap in my face of your last announcement, for ignoring all the hours put into this. Hope you enjoy your thrown together events. I'll keep doing what we have planned.
Sincerely,
Valory
The Wandering Amazon
As the current Minister of Culture for Eleusis, I would like to personally thank the garden for not caring at all and dropping other events atop ours, along with not even giving a mention to our festival, yet they can mention another. Thank you for that lovely slap in my face of your last announcement, for ignoring all the hours put into this. Hope you enjoy your thrown together events. I'll keep doing what we have planned.
Sincerely,
Valory
The Wandering Amazon
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I'll begin by stating that the garden team did take the Eleusis event into account. A few points of note here:
The current situation with a lot of people being confined to their homes means that IRE is running a lot of things to keep people entertained over the next few weeks (hopefully it won't be that long, but it looks like it might be). That said, there is no intention to steal Eleusis' thunder and this was a specific point we planned around. That's the main reason Achaea isn't running a great hunt over this week end like most of the games, and why this event starts out very low key over the next seven days: you'll notice the real meat of the event starts after the Eleusis events draw to a close. That is by design.
I think that addresses the frustration here, but if it doesn't feel free to message me (you can post here too, but I might be a bit slower to respond).
This is the Announce post to which I'm referring to.
You are correct when you say the meat of your listed events takes place after the Festival is over, thank you for that. But I'd like to call your attention to the Great Hunt you mentioned will not be happening over the weekend, instead it lands 3 days later which is still during the festival, in fact it laid just so that it falls completely over our planned Merry Hunt on 3/25/20 GMT, well done in making us feel like ants. Truly we appreciate the gesture of being overshadowed utterly.
It does not address the irritation one bit actually. Please note the RL dates for 825 AF, which mind you 825 has been bounced around like a YOYO at least 6 times in the past RL month and a half. I've been trying to keep track of the shifts in the attempt to make sure each time the timeline shifted, that the RL times of the events did not wander overmuch.
My greatest personal irritation with your post is that you mention another festival set to take place in April, yet fail to mention Eleusis' at all.
Sincerely,
Valory
The Salty Wandering Amazon
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
And I have completely embraced the salty side tonight as I have finally had quite enough frustration for the week. Thanks.
I am telling them that there are public events going on, we are not sitting around with nothing to do as a whole. We are doing things, and I personally find it rude that they failed to even mention it. Yet can mention another player run Festival.
Good night.
I've seen several shouts with the phrase "Anyone not enemied to Eleusis" since your festival start, trying to claim it isn't factional is just really untrue, but even that aside you really shouldn't be trying to compare yourself with Asterian events. It is an IG organisation that has been around for quite some time that is completely factionless (In fact it tries to break past factional barriers) and has garnered a very large amount of renown (not the credit earning kind).
I'm happy and grateful admin, I just found out I'm on leave of work for an unknown amount of time and without a lot to do, so for you guys to put in extra work and run these events so we don't all just go stir crazy is incredible.
We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.
That no matter how much time and effort we put into planning and doing something for the community that we never seem to recieve even an ounce of recognition for the effort.
Minifie, raiding less than five minutes after we post about our festival schedule is just rude, that is why we told you to leave. If you want to participate in planned public events then you are welcome to, as are you all, but don't be rude.
It is not a Troll post, it is my sincere feelings about the apparent lack of care for what we are doing.
Yes, some events we have asked that enemies do not attend, that is because they were held INSIDE Eleusis itself. Not all of them are, for those held in neutral territory we asked anyone and everyone to join in, yet most of the time all I ever see there are Eleusians, I believe the number of rogues or other factions as you call them that have show up so far is less than 5 people total. Is that our fault? Is it the time of day the events take place? Is it the delivery of the information that isn't working? I honestly don't know.
We are all playing the same game, it is your own choice to attend the public events we are putting on or not.
All I am asking for is that you take a moment to recognise that there are indeed players out there that are trying to put on fun events and yet all we ever seem to get back the majority of the time is distain or simply ignored. Think about it for a moment, would you want to keep putting your time and effort into something when that is what happens? I'm betting not. Yet here we are, still trying, frustrated and all, yet still trying.
Valory
It's dripping with passive aggression, and it takes something the rest of the game was excited for and makes it all about you. Yes, fewer people care about Eleusian things, the majority of the game is enemied. Nobody expects their relatively insular org events to supercede game-wide things, especially those put together quickly to appease a growing playerbase (many of who would not even know the event is going on).
Instead of asking for recognition, you're taking something being done to address the unease the playerbase as a whole has and morphing it into some attack on your own org. If you want players to care about your events, going to the forums and shitting on the admin is probably the worst way to do it. Push people in the game (of which there are many more than usual, use this to your advantage) to participate instead of complaining that the admin are stealing your thunder (they aren't).
Did you accomplish it?
The admin likely didn't announce the Festival because it is already going on, and we've already been announcing public events.
It's not something that is upcoming but actually currently happening.
I understand your stress level, especially with the Hierophant overseeing it deciding to drive across America in the middle of cold season.
But this
sigh
It confirmed that we don't matter.
Thanks.
To say all of us are above succumbing to stress, anxiety, or just losing our temper is really thoughtless- especially with what we're all dealing with.
@Nicola, I think this thread has run its course.
Aegis, God of War says, "You are dismissed from My demense, Astarod. Go forth and fight well. Bleed fiercely, and climb the purpose you have sought to chase for."
The tone of the initial and subsequent posts isn't necessary, but it does sound like it comes from a place of deep and prolonged frustration and I can certainly sympathise with that.
It is a lot of work to be an event runner, which I am aware I reiterate often, but it bears repeating. You have to come up with events you hope people will like, do marketing, find prizes, schedule with and around time zones, and cross your fingers that people will participate. That's enough to stress anyone out, and if things aren't getting the hoped-for reception, disappointment on top of that can really kill the motivation of someone already stretched thin - not to mention now finding out you may have to compete with other events for engagement time. After all that, a lack of recognition of effort can really sting, too. Why put yourself through so much anguish if no one appreciates it?
In general, non-participation is the greatest fear of most event runners, for an event is nothing without an audience or participants. Even I, myself, am very paranoid about this and this is why I put in the legwork to approach people individually about things. It is an extraordinarily time consuming part of the job, but I find the personal approach helps a great deal with raising awareness, setting expectations on both sides, and giving you the chance to refine what doesnt work. Taking the temperature of your intended audience is crucial for a greater chance of success.
@Valory, I have been following the progress of the festival on the Public boards and some of them have been very innovative ideas. I'm sure your citizens are having fun and appreciate what you're doing for them. But though there are some public elements, you have noted that 2/3rds of the festival is in Eleusis or for Eleusians. I won't presume to speak for the admin, but if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that's one of the main reasons the AR festival was included: because it was in a post about fully global events that everyone can participate in. However, it's true that a nod would have gone a long way.
The nature of inter factional conflict across the board has resulted in more insular attitudes and play styles. If you're truly hoping for more international participation, then I would suggest that you may have more success with events that characters can justify participating in because it benefits their growth in some way - such as learning more about your ideology, rituals etc. Light hearted activities are great, but the shadow of your faction alignment is ever present, and that gives weight to someone's ability to justify their participation in your event. The reality is few are likely to do so for entertainment alone. Your events themselves are fine, but it may simply be a case of mismatched audiences. Or timing, even, but that is something that requires careful observation and is hit and miss at the best of times. Or a combination of both.
I understand why you felt your efforts overlooked, but rest assured that everyone, admin and players alike, appreciate what content contributors do for the game - I'd wager the admin more than anyone, considering they do this on a daily basis. I do want to urge you to take a step back and breathe: if this is your first time running events, it can feel like a great deal rides on you, but you will burn out very quickly from such a huge amount of effort over a long period of time. I do my planning in bursts of motivation, and take RL months off to recover after that. Taking a time out for yourself does wonders, and if that means sacrificing a little intricacy in your event, no one will begrudge you that.
It's a trying time, both OOCly and ICly, for everyone, and we are fortunate that we have admin and players both who care enough to put in the effort to bring us some relief from the state of the world. Perhaps we can be a little slower to jump to judgment, on all sides, and be a little more forgiving when things aren't coming across the right way. Just my two cents.
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Everything from showing up to not shouting nonsense that distracts and overshadows what people are doing to not picking stupid fights that piss people off, be good to your teammates.
I've given up on considerate behaviour and mutual fun-seeking where enemies are concerned, since Achaeans just aren't built that way, but for the love of everything, be nice to the people on your team and don't do things to make it harder and less rewarding to give things an honest try.
Unfortunately, I think this is more just a perfect storm of things happening. People are still infatuated with adventures! adventures! adventures! above all else, there's still the normal combat that always goes on, and then you have the COVID-19 affecting people's schedules and lives as well. Anyways, I just wanted to say thank you for the effort you've put into the events. The few I've been able to make have been great.
It's not too late to repurpose this thread for that, right
Imagine their joy tomorrow when they wake up, having read this post, I can finally deliver them the answer.