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Houses and their population

RashiRashi Member Posts: 3
Hi, I've only been playing for four days but I'm really enjoying the game so far. Only.. my house. I couldn't tell what type of house it was only that it was evil and I thought it would be a chaotic or neutral evil type. Now that I've been in it for a few days though, I don't like it at all. Don't get me wrong the people in it ARE fantastic, but the house mentality and the whole setting isn't for me. I feel like a dick because I've asked for so much help but I'm not enjoying it in any aspect.

To top it off there are 248 players online right now. 12 are on in my city and THREE in my house. It seems dead to me.

My class is jester and my options are Shadowsnakes, Crownmerchants, Cij and Tybeirdd.

My questions are what is the mentality of these houses and how populated are they? A help file description can only tell you so much (case and point).

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  • JiraishinJiraishin skulkingMember Posts: 2,128 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    @Rashi Every time I see your name here, on cwho, or on deathsight, all I can think of is him. I have no idea if that is intentional.

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  • TvistorTvistor Member Posts: 2,900 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I'm so offended you don't even know. (also Mhaldor always has a very low population, but arguably the best RP environment. Leaving means more players, more admin interaction, but also more stupidity depending on where you go).

    I'd advice pretty strongly against the Cij because the jokes I saw were terrible, but then I'm Mhaldorian so you should check it out yourself before making a decision.

    I dunno about the Shadowsnakes. I'll just say the only House I'd ever join in Ashtan would be the Occultists.

    Ty Beirdd and the Merchants might be right up your ally. I don't know much about the Merchants, but Ty Beirdd is pretty okay. It doesn't get involved in conflict or anything, but that could be your style.
    LodiBeyaTrilliana
  • BeyaBeya Member Posts: 353 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited December 2012
    The CIJ is the house I belong to. Far be it from me to recruit on the forums, but we're a relaxed house being steered more and more towards interaction with other players and cities through performance.

    The house is neutral and dedicated to the art of comedy, parody and well formed relationships. We also seem to attract the most amount of true newbies, and the house caters for that with its requirements and friendly members.

    However, it is not a place to join if you are looking for strong combat training, PK or dark/malicious roleplay.

    Depending on the time of day, we can have between two and seven members active (though we have about 30 members active through the week). The peak time for most houses is usually 10pm-4am GMT.

    Ty Beirdd are similar, but focus on high art and poetry. They are tied to the politics of Cyrene and in direct (friendly) competition with the CIJ.

    The Shadowsnakes and Crownmerchants are not anything I can pass comment on, though each are good to join in their own way.
    "Trust in me, Universe, I will deliver / the promise that no-one shall ever / set their mind to games or play / for Serious Order is the way. I will not rest until it is done; / rules will be made for everyone. / They will know Order and its graces - and just like me, all shall be Greyfaces." - The Heroes of Sapience, Act 5, Greyface.
  • RashiRashi Member Posts: 3
    Jiraishin It was not on purpose. Oh god.

    @Tvistor Jesters are meant to be whacky and do things. My problem with Mhaldor and Blood Congregation IS half because of the RP and the rules because the RP enforces them that much more. I want my character to act like a Jester not be Evil Slave #XXXX. I am not saying there is anything wrong with the city/house just that it isn't what I want to roleplay.

    @Beya Does this mean most of the main houses are semi-empty because people are doing their own thing in clans? It's not that I want to PK or do dark/malicious gameplay per se it's just that I want to interact with people, not have my character restricted RP wise by insane rules.
  • XerXer LangleyMember Posts: 804
    Hey there! I remember you!

    Mhaldorian RP might not be for everyone - especially at the level when you're a novice and a slave. If you're a totally new player (which is going to be my assumption), without the right mindset, Mhaldor might be a hard pill to swallow at first. Things really start looking up once you get past the requirements to at least Droch, and you make it to CR 2, or so it was in my case.

    But as it seems that the main problem you have is the type of RP, and not the quality (I hope D:) it would honestly be best for you to try out different houses. Unfortunately this is my first character so I can't recommend other houses to you but I definitely hope you stick around Achaea and find a better fit for what you what to do. I'm not quite sure you're looking for in Jester RP, but Beya's an excellent RPer, and would recommend at least checking out the CIJ and what he does as a Jester.


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  • TvistorTvistor Member Posts: 2,900 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I think the issue is that none of that is particularly funny.
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  • NizarisNizaris The Holy City of MhaldorMember Posts: 537 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Mhaldor is srs business?
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  • XerXer LangleyMember Posts: 804
    Why so serious?
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  • NellaundraNellaundra Member Posts: 1,556 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Personally, I find that a Jester could do some very nice black as pitch humor in Mhaldor.  Kinda Joker-esque but with Achaean twists.

    @Nizaris described it pretty well, but I was thinking more stuff along the lines of using illusions (if the bloody hocus pocus line wasn't in) to make them see horrors beyond imagining and introduce them to suffering that way.  Make them believe that ice is creeping along their veins or that countless knives are taking little bit by bit out of their skin and working their way up from their feet to make it last as long as possible.

    All the while cracking jokes and horrible puns about what they're doing, but not with their actual voice.  Some echoey dissonant thing that haunts at the ears and taunts them with undercurrents of a language that they can't understand, but they know is mocking them or hiding some truth.
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  • NizarisNizaris The Holy City of MhaldorMember Posts: 537 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Xer said:
    Why so serious?
    Yeah ... pretty sure that a Mhaldorian Heath Ledger has been done again and again and ... Besides, Joker's brand of "chaotic evil" (to borrow a D&D phrase) of destroying everything without discrimination isn't very Mhaldorian (which is more of a lawful evil alignment, if we were to try and peg it on the D&D alignment boards).

    So, that's why I went another route.

    Regarding "funny" ... I didn't see that Rashi was wanting to do funny RP in particular, but was mostly just looking for an RP direction, in general. Admittedly, figuring out how to do a Mhaldorian jester is ... tough from the get-go, without knowing a few ideas. That's not to say that funny is verboten in Mhaldor -- just goofiness.
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  • AradorArador Member Posts: 1,696 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Goofiness, no.

    Insanely twisted, black humour? Hell yes. I have always wanted to do an IT type clown in Mhaldor. Hell, once you get ranked high enough you could even do a Joker type character. Clowns are evil! All of them!

    KatzchenMelodie
  • RashiRashi Member Posts: 3
    edited December 2012
    @Tvistor
    @Xer
    @Nizaris
    @Nellaundra
    @Arador

    I didn't expect so many well explained responses. In that case I'll just suck it up and see where it goes.
    Beya
  • LodiLodi Member Posts: 252 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Arador said:
     once you get ranked high enough
    You've hit the nail on the head there when it comes to Mhaldor. :) At the start, things are going to be very tough for a slave. But the more respect you gain from your fellow citizens, the more freedoms you will enjoy.
    I won a competition awhile ago to have Chris Bourassa paint a picture of Lodi. My profile pic is the end product. :)
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  • AradorArador Member Posts: 1,696 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Lodi said:


    Arador said:

     once you get ranked high enough

    You've hit the nail on the head there when it comes to Mhaldor. :) At the start, things are going to be very tough for a slave. But the more respect you gain from your fellow citizens, the more freedoms you will enjoy.


    Exactly. Prove yourself as a slave and when you get higher you get much more freedom than most other places.

    Lodi
  • CorbeauxCorbeaux Member Posts: 108 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished

    Welcome to the game, @Rashi.

    It looks like you're set on your direction by now, but I'll comment just for reference. I wouldn't recommend any jester-classed player joining the Shadowsnakes, simply because there are a few of us working very hard on changing the entire focus of the house back to its original path as a house of thieves, assassins, and spies. And I suspect, very soon, it will resume its serpent-only class structure.

    Mhaldor is an excellent place for in-character roles, and in my opinion, one of the easiest since your role is defined but you have so many ways in pursuing it. Give it a few days. You might find that you really like the atmosphere and the setting more than you thought.

     

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    Beya
  • TvistorTvistor Member Posts: 2,900 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    @Iocun called it though. Skills like the weird balloon giraffe thing are so unMhaldorian that it's hard to square it away (which is why there was that thread where a lot of people suggested making the flavor text on jester skills more neutral). That way you could adapt it for Good/Evil/Silliness without it being particularly jarring in any of those contexts.

    It's probably also important to note that jesters went even allowed in the Congregation, and only allowed in Mhaldor very briefly. It was either changed because a) we needed tarot, b) Sabiru went jester and wanted a House or a combination of the two. Prior to that though, it was generally accepted jesters had no real place in Mhaldor.
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  • AradorArador Member Posts: 1,696 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Just because it is hard does not mean it is a bad idea.

    You can make all the weird flavour text work with some demented funny character.

    The trick is the funny part. You can act noble, act evil, act good, act like an arse. But you can not act funny. You either are funny or you aren't. It gets even harder with dark humour because what some find funny may make others uneasy.

    Tl;dr: Very hard to do right, very cool if achieved.

    BeyaSigge
  • IocunIocun Member Posts: 3,506 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Sure, like quite a few other things. There are ways to make demon possession, being a tall dwarf, stuttering, evil-spy-who-infiltrated-the-church, underhanded paladin, or pacifist Mhaldorian work. None of these are inherently bad RP. But they need to be done extremely well and extremely carefully in order to succeed in a way that will manage to convince your fellow players that you're not just yet another special snowflake, so in principle, I'd rather just say "don't do those things at all". If someone is convinced she or he can pull it off regardless, still does it, and manages to do it in a cool and credible way, awesome!
    TvistorLodiBeya
  • DaeirDaeir AustraliaMember Posts: 6,288 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Stick with it, unless the Mhaldorian ethos is something entirely polar to your character and something that makes you feel uncomfortable with.

    My namesake character (Daeir, naturally) went from being an Eleusian Sentinel to a Mhaldorian Serpent in the Naga almost on a whim, and it is by far one of the best decisions I ever made in Achaea.
  • WalaWala Member Posts: 40 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    edited December 2012
    Daeir said:

    My namesake character (Daeir, naturally) went from being an Eleusian Sentinel to a Mhaldorian Serpent in the Naga almost on a whim, and it is by far one of the best decisions I ever made in Achaea.

    Funnily, my first character started in Mhaldor, in the same House as Rashi, so I can understand him. I was there for two days or three and then got kicked and enemied to Mhaldor, the Blood Congregation...and some other House enemied too when I talked in the Newbie channel. :D

    He then went to the Sentinels in Eleusis and was there for three months before being kicked from City and House.

    My recommendation, Rashi, would be to take it easy. There is always the possibility to make a new character to join a different House and City. There are many. And there are many players with no City or House.

    But I understand you don't like the mentality. I was totally surprised...couldn't believe my eyes. :D



    Happy New Year Everybody! :)



    (Edit: My first character was called Thovar.

    Then I was Wala, Azuen, Rovelda, Zhanwirma and Glanara.)
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  • RispokRispok Member Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited December 2012
    Since it wasn't discussed in much detail, I'll mention the Merchants.

    Basically the Merchants are self-motivated people. They help you when you need it, but really, you have to just do a lot on your own. There aren't a huge number of rules and regulations, just a few things to keep you from getting ganked repeatedly.

    Being located in Hashan gives one advantage over Mhaldor, at least, and that is that they're going to be a slightly larger group who are around during North American daylight hours. It's a smaller city than Cyrene probably, but to my way of thinking, less 'cuddly-bunny'.

    I'll wait for somebody else to mention why the SS are yet different again, my guess is that it's because while the house may not be larger than the Merchants, the city is larger than Hashan or Cyrene (number of players who are generally active at a time).

    I hope that gives you some advice, but one thing I should say is that Jesters don't have to be the happy-go-lucky pranksters you may seem to think. I make jokes more often than many of my jester counterparts (I'm not a jester), most of which are worse as well. The difference is that I do them with tact, where I find many young jesters just do things like, take their pants off and tell knock-knock jokes.

    I hope that helped some.
    Beya
  • BeyaBeya Member Posts: 353 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    All very good input. I would also like to direct you to a useful thread on jesters, @Rashi.

    "Trust in me, Universe, I will deliver / the promise that no-one shall ever / set their mind to games or play / for Serious Order is the way. I will not rest until it is done; / rules will be made for everyone. / They will know Order and its graces - and just like me, all shall be Greyfaces." - The Heroes of Sapience, Act 5, Greyface.
  • HaliosHalios Member Posts: 471 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Iocun said:

    Sure, like quite a few other things. There are ways to make demon possession, being a tall dwarf, stuttering, evil-spy-who-infiltrated-the-church, underhanded paladin, or pacifist Mhaldorian work. None of these are inherently bad RP. But they need to be done extremely well and extremely carefully in order to succeed in a way that will manage to convince your fellow players that you're not just yet another special snowflake, so in principle, I'd rather just say "don't do those things at all". If someone is convinced she or he can pull it off regardless, still does it, and manages to do it in a cool and credible way, awesome!

    Speaking from personal experience with one of those "difficult" RP lines, ill say that one problem you may run into is that unlike obvious RP which is somewhat inherent to your character once you've established a name for yourself, difficult RP lines require a lot of coordination OOC.

    When its not straightforward RP you may have to really go the extra mile, which is what it seems like you want.

    Mhaldor attracts a lot of hardcore players but those not combat leaning take their focus to RP and persona building.

    While some of them are inactive or perhaps suspiciously departed with the advent of celani applications or the resurgence of a divine, I'd point you towards news posts by wulfen, herenicus, cypra, and many other apostates of old.

    In terms of your personal struggle with finding a place, I can't say I'm in much of a different spot. The players behind Nizaris, tvistor, Azor, vrah, and Lodi especially are all very helpful and RP driven. I'm sure you could organically develop your characters path in mhaldor by asking them IC how you fit in.

    I'm not exactly the best immersive role player, but I try, so if you see me kicking around mhaldor feel free to talk

    Almost forgot, proficy is a perfect resource for you as well (the player, not the term.)

    Good luck!
    KatzchenLodi
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