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If/Else If/Else

RonweRonwe Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 76 Immortal
edited December 2018 in North of Thera
Hello from Achaea's coders!
We've been hard at work on various backend updates this year, some with results that are more visible to you and some with results that you don't see as directly. Beyond general bugfixing and new content, there are always things to do though, more things we'd like to do than we have time to do!
For our next focus, we couldn't make up our minds between a few different backend projects, so we're asking for some input on what we should work on next. Here are the choices:
1. A better, unified backend for recipes (anything that uses ingredients, like Remedies and Augmentation, not just for Cooking!).
  • This will simplify and unify a lot for us behind the scenes. Conjuration and Enchanting would probably benefit the most! The goal is to retain the flavour of the tradeskills (and bring back some lost flavour for Remedies), reduce the need for client scripts, and give us the ability to add other learnable recipes in the future, perhaps even outside of typical skill learning.
2. Work on player house security.
  • For a long time, people have been frustrated by the security of player housing: what seems like it should be among the safest places is in some ways the most risky place to spend time. Simultaneously, housing can sometimes also be used as a place to hide from consequences in a way that we don't find very healthy for the game. We've spent some time thinking about this before, but this choice would likely take more thinking and more design time than #1. Accordingly, we don't know if or how this would affect ship housing at this stage.
3. Screw all that and spend some more time with the IDEAs list.
  • This would involve shifting our focus to implementing many of the approved one-off ideas. We probably still wouldn't get to all of them (there are a lot of them!), and if you are hoping we would get to yours, please bear in mind when voting that this is no guarantee that yours will be one we'll end up getting to!
Note that we'll likely be fairly busy during the holidays, and much of the work will probably remain somewhat invisible even once we start plugging away at it in earnest. We'll leave the voting up until then!

If/Else If/Else 132 votes

Recipe backend
14%
EllodinKyrraSkyeTreyYenKayeilZulahDochithaDalranAereidhnaAsaniMindshellIsmayMinifieLiiInarielKriexLaodokeZazi 19 votes
Player house security
33%
TrillianaAntidasTukioSenaJurixeVeldrinMelodieJarrodUtianimaErilTarviusFaurAlrenaTeshaTorrentSiduriAccipiterCaliraAlinixaDurzaan 44 votes
IDEAs
52%
CooperJiraishinDeedubPrytheRangorAntoniusHalosDraekarOceanaQwindorShirszaeAndrasteAdaMorthifAtalkezRyzanProficyCaelanSuladanFen 69 votes
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Comments

  • YselaYsela Member Posts: 104 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Player house security
    All three look like good options to me. Hope you get to number two or three eventually, no matter which one ends up number one.
  • AzareAzare Member Posts: 18 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    edited December 2018
    IDEAs
    While the first two do have merit, the third is the only one accessible to all players (at least early on). I've seen people submitting ideas about being able to add comments to ideas, a command for showing new ideas like NSTAT does, and a way to look a list of ideas that you haven't read yet.
    (none of these are my ideas, I just saw them submitted and not gain traction)
    Solnir
  • IsmayIsmay Member Posts: 644 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Recipe backend
    Personally, I think that more focus should be put on things that the players complain about. Areas such as seafaring and some of the promotions, for example.
    AsmodronJinsunTaleila
  • AsmodronAsmodron Member Posts: 2,572 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I thank you for your hard work, but in all earnest I expected the options to pertain to more game changing fixes and implementations. I look at these and if they are the options for what is to be the focus for the first quater of 2019, then I cant help but feel disheartened.
    Ismay
  • WicellaWicella Member Posts: 175 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    IDEAs
    While I would love recipe oriented stuff to get fixed, seeing the idea people have worked hard on get implemented would be great!
  • PrythePrythe Member Posts: 469 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    IDEAs
    Ideas is a real time look at what is and isn't working. The balance of the projects are important, but IDEAS reflect much more global needs and thoughts.

    - To love another person is to see the face of G/d
    - Let me get my hat and my knife
    - It's your apple, take a bite
    - Don't dream it ... be it


  • SobriquetSobriquet Member Posts: 2,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    There are some really dumb ideas in that list though. 
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    Zekeros
  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, FloridaMember Posts: 4,901 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited December 2018
    Player house security
    IDEAs was a super tempting option, but honestly making player housing more generally functional (both with security and with other things) would make me happy as a clam.

    (Also plug for clan-owned housing too, please. Plug plug plug.)
    "You have had an extraordinary adventure, my dear. Extraordinary! One that few people could ever imagine. Treasure it. Keep it safe and secure, tucked away in some special place in your heart. 

    But... don't spend the rest of your days chasing a ghost."
  • SobriquetSobriquet Member Posts: 2,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    To add something useful, I would like to see Player housing become more of a thing. 
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  • MinifieMinifie Member Posts: 2,093 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Recipe backend
    Jinsun said:
    Reads thread after hearing many unified calls to fix seafaring including dedicated threads and sees that recipes and house security are getting the dedication, NOPE. 
    this is just the first thing, and something they probably have ideas and plans on how to approach it, while seafaring they still have to think about, draft and plan potential changes. I don't see the problem here?


    (Mhaldor's Next Top Model): Taryius says, "Oops, thats not a foray. Thats two novices going at it in the wilderness."
    Ysela
  • SolnirSolnir Member Posts: 749 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    IDEAs
    Azare kinda hit it on the head in my opinion. Housing is for a smaller section of the population, as are recipes, but out of just the IDEAs I've read myself they cover a much larger percentage of the playerbase. And I don't even read them as often as I should.
    Jiraishin
  • MakariosMakarios Administrator Posts: 1,767 Achaean staff
    Jinsun said:
    Reads thread after hearing many unified calls to fix seafaring including dedicated threads and sees that recipes and house security are getting the dedication, NOPE. 


    This is the list of things we've not started on yet.

    (That might have been a spoiler, who knows!)

    Laedha
  • JinsunJinsun TN, USAMember Posts: 2,907 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Makarios said:
    Jinsun said:
    Reads thread after hearing many unified calls to fix seafaring including dedicated threads and sees that recipes and house security are getting the dedication, NOPE. 


    This is the list of things we've not started on yet.

    (That might have been a spoiler, who knows!)

    Hope is all we need! Thank you!
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  • DochithaDochitha Member Posts: 1,388 @ - Epic Achaean
    Recipe backend
    Revamp is good . Probably helps future ideas development too! I also agree, ideas tend to show global demand, especially if there are repeated ones . But whichever way, is progress worth thanking! Awesome work you guys!
  • AntoniusAntonius Member Posts: 4,709 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    IDEAs
    Sobriquet said:
    There are some really dumb ideas in that list though. 
    The list you see isn't the approved list, though. The really dumb ones generally don't get enough support to even be considered, let alone approved.
  • YgiaYgia Member Posts: 80 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    IDEAs
    Ideas go into consideration once they hit 10 support. All the ones on the list you see have less than that.
  • SobriquetSobriquet Member Posts: 2,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Antonius said:
    Sobriquet said:
    There are some really dumb ideas in that list though. 
    The list you see isn't the approved list, though. The really dumb ones generally don't get enough support to even be considered, let alone approved.
    This is a blessing. Still makes me wince at some of the things being suggested.
    image
  • AccipiterAccipiter Member Posts: 375 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Player house security
    Player Housing Security - I go dormant fairly often and come back to it being locked up because no one replaced they eye sigils and someone souled in and made a wormhole or something.

    Please just make the doors to houses from the subdivision unable to be walked through as a soul if you aren't going to actually focus on it /hope
    SiduriKrizalZbaco
  • AereidhnaAereidhna DallasMember Posts: 682 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited December 2018
    Recipe backend
    I voted for one, then thought about it more.

    My personal preference is for 2 because I think it will most substantially impact RP and “flavor" of the game - and will trickle out to things like furnishing,  use of items intended for houses (and thus money spent on customisations), etc. It would certainly mean a lot to me if I could encourage people to use houses more without feeling like it’s a huge risk to city security. I know there has to be SOME risk to avoid people using houses as a way to escape RP/interaction/consequences. But the way it's currently set up, my experience is that houses get very little use, which is frankly depressing. Some of my best RP experiences with groups of people have been in my house (including hosting city-wide parties/events, which would be an awesome opportunity to have more often, but currently just feels like you're putting out a beacon for a raid).

    That said, 1 would also be great and would probably make the most difference for the most people, given that a lot of people use the mentioned tradeskills, and a lot more have need of them (particularly enchantments, which I've been actually putting to use recently).
    LaedhaCailin
  • OmiOmi Member Posts: 48 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Housing, I would love to be able to utilize my house for more RP events and such. People tend to spend alot of gold and time building houses as well, it kinda sucks that it's something rarely used/shown off. Omi takes people to his house for conversations quite often, but I'd like him to be able to hang around more frequently and recieve visitors.
    LaedhaAereidhna
  • DraukoDrauko Member Posts: 27
    IDEAs
    I used to use a house as a private library and study. Never really had many folks over though. More house parties/gatherings would be cool. 

    Arn Drubak exclaims, "Do you know who I am, Drauko? My father will kill you for this!"
    You say in a variant pitched voice, "No, no he will not. Now look at the flowers."

  • DupreDupre M.Member Posts: 231 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    IDEAs
    Houses are awful and some people's room descriptions (or even totally blank ones) make me wanna hurl
    https://www.achaea.com/banner/caiges.jpg
  • MathildaMathilda Member Posts: 889 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Player house security
    houses are awful because the current mechanics surrounding them don't really encourage people to invest time/energy/creativity to make a really cool-looking house

    (except for the valiant few @Kyrra @Jurixe)

     <3 
    KyrraAereidhna
  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, FloridaMember Posts: 4,901 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Player house security
    Uncultured swine!
    "You have had an extraordinary adventure, my dear. Extraordinary! One that few people could ever imagine. Treasure it. Keep it safe and secure, tucked away in some special place in your heart. 

    But... don't spend the rest of your days chasing a ghost."
    AralayaAereidhna
  • AralayaAralaya Member Posts: 1,216 @ - Epic Achaean
    IDEAs
    Excuse you I have a pretty house!
    Albeit not one I can enter anymore, but it's pretty!


    Tecton-Today at 6:17 PM

    teehee b.u.t.t. pirates
  • DupreDupre M.Member Posts: 231 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    IDEAs
    Pretty awful
    https://www.achaea.com/banner/caiges.jpg
  • SobriquetSobriquet Member Posts: 2,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    But. New class!
    image
    CaelanUtianima
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