Learning to fight again

Serin

I've been away from the game for a long time and am slowly beginning to get a handle on it again.  Combat was never my strong suit ever.  I have one kill on record heh.  I have mudlet and SVOF for curing but am looking for more combat oriented scripts.  I can do a bit a coding but am new to lua and will need some time to figure everything out, so my question I guess is are there any Apostate combat scripts out there for free that I could work off of?  Also any other modules or scripts people find useful with mudlet would be much appreciated.

Thanks!
Serin

Torinn

Hmm well, I don't know about apostate but for priest (and thus I think apostate) you'll want to start with an affliction tracker of some sort.  

Aegoth

Affliction trackers are 100% not needed. Anyone who tells you that is just lazy. What Torinn is saying is basically akin to telling you to install an aimbot to learn how to play an FPS game.

 Learn what minerals or herbs cure which afflictions. Highlight herb/mineral eating lines different colours and learn to react to those colours appearing on your screen so that you know what's being cured and you can react accordingly. Aff trackers will make you a worse combatant if you start out using thrm, because you will never truly learn curing mechanocs by relying on AI.

Torinn

Well, Serin asked for what sorts of scripts and packages.  That's a good place to start if that's what she wants to do 

Aegoth

I understand that. Still a terrible idea if tou want to get into combat as a new fighter

Austere

Aegoth said:

I understand that. Still a terrible idea if tou want to get into combat as a new fighter

Using an affliction tracker for the singular purpose of tracking afflictions is actually a really good idea when you first start out.  Making highlights is essentially the same thing, an affliction tracker just breaks the info down a little more. The point it becomes a bad idea for beginners is when you start using an automated offense.  Just because one requires the other does not make them the same thing. 

Serin

Torinn said:

Well, Serin asked for what sorts of scripts and packages.  That's a good place to start if that's what she wants to do 

Second person to call me a she, wtf Serin is male hahaha

Serin

I agree that learning the basics of the new minerals curing system and refreshing what cures what on the herbs side is important.  I am looking for scripts but Aegoth makes a good point too, if I am new and don't know anything having an AI doesn't really help.  I'm assuming though curing scripts tend me to available most people custom create their own combat systems?

Atalkez

He even stated that he is not good at combat. So he may very well make all the highlights, and still not be very good. Afftracker will at least let him be somewhat useful, so I can see the suggestion being apt for the request.

That said, make some charts. We know herb balance time, what cures it takes to cure what afflictions, and how fast we attack. So figure out what you can do to lock on someone who never runs and never cursewards, and never swaps priorities. Then branch from there.

Antonius

Austere said:

Aegoth said:

I understand that. Still a terrible idea if tou want to get into combat as a new fighter

Using an affliction tracker for the singular purpose of tracking afflictions is actually a really good idea when you first start out.  Making highlights is essentially the same thing, an affliction tracker just breaks the info down a little more. The point it becomes a bad idea for beginners is when you start using an automated offense.  Just because one requires the other does not make them the same thing. 

I think using an affliction tracker, even if you don't automate, is still a bad idea. An affliction tracking script can only ever be reactive, and the skill they should be learning is how to be predictive based on analysing curing priorities.

Serin

How do you keep track of being afflicted in the spam of combat without a tracker?  Last time I was involved in a multi-person fight I could not even keep track of what was happening.

Jonathin

In the short time (about 3 days) that I used an aff tracker, even though it was reactive, I was able to learn about curing mechanics more than in a year of people trying to explain it. It's hard to be predictive if you can't understand how the mechanics work.

Atalkez

Serin said:

How do you keep track of being afflicted in the spam of combat without a tracker?  Last time I was involved in a multi-person fight I could not even keep track of what was happening.

I personally use highlights and am just used to the spam now (mostly). It isn't difficult to do if you know you have a partner doing curare and kalmia, you do gecko and alike, maybe you have another partner doing impatience etc. knowing what your group is doing is important.

Torinn

Lots of practice and a lot of big colorful warnings and highlights. Some classes can be played "manually" a lot easier than others.  

Dochitha

So you highlight red for bloodroot eat. Green for kelp eat etc per your preference. Most ppl under normal circumstances cure paralysis first, so your first evileye will see 2 cure before your balance is back, then you should see only a red flash by and it's your balance again. Working from here you should develop a habit of knowing when things are going to be cured and act on it. You will develop a rhythm. 

Next is learn charting. Chart helps me learn and understand combat when I got started. Chart is op .You are also going to spend a lot of time on charts. I still do that a lot. 

AFF tracker is good if it is put to good use. Important thing about combat is not winning, but understanding each skill and classes and what you do in different situations. Log is your study material. Keep logs, study and improvise. 

Avoid automated offense until you can fight relatively well or understand combat good enough otherwise you will find yourself limited or stuck. 

Best way to learn combat is keep fighting, and keep asking. Seek to lose, cos that log is worth it. 

Serin

Thanks everyone you've helped me more in the last few hours than years of playing achaea! And I've started logging everything as of yesterday.

What are charts?

Atalkez

Charts are when you chart out what will happen

0s - stare sicken/impatience
0s - they cure paralysis
1s - they cure impatience (tree)
2.2s - stare sicken/impatience
2.2s - they cure paralysis
3.8s - they cure impatience
4.4s - stare sicken/impatience
6s - they cure paralysis
6.6s - stare sicken/asthma
7.6s - they cure impatience or asthma or paralysis

etc

Reyson

(Un)fortunately, theory, aff trackers, charts, and so on are nice told, but are no substitute for practice. To learn to pvp, there's nothing for it: you'll have to just start, lose a lot at first, and things will start to become more predictable, understandable, and enjoyable as your ceiling rises. 

Armali

You don't have to lose a lot at first...

Reyson

If you've got defence vs all classes figured out without touching the game before, that'd beggar belief. 

Kiet

I mean, you might not lose a lot at first if you only fight novices, but no one's gonna start with 0 pvp experience and start beating Farrah just cause they read a lot of theory.

Armali

I was joking, I forgot to edit in:

(just run away a lot to force a draw)

Reyson

Pff, arenas.

Iniar

1 month, 3:1

Kiet

Alts don't count

Serin

So looks like first things first, re-learn what every skill does in my three main skills.  Branch out to my other transed abilities.  Study manual curing.  (Possibly use aff counter but know the background first).  Learn Lua, create my own set up with Colors and reminders during fighting.  Sounds like a good start.  Does anyone have a recommendation for an aff counter?

Kayle

1)The individual class section on forums is a great place for individual class stuff.  Depending on your class you may not use/need every skill you have. Best bet it to study you kill paths and work from there what you need to use. From there use the charting to get a feel of how your fights should turn out. Always account for randomness in fights because no one fights the same even if they are the same class.

2)It's not necessarily manual curing that you need to focus on but more of what priorities for curing are and adjust those based off of what your class brings to the table. If you have a class that doesn't give impatience then you can skip that completely and focus on other afflictions. Again it's all dependant on what your class can afflict with

3)Aff counters are great for figuring out others curing priorities on the fly. Some people cure differently based on the class they are fighting. A lot of the mid-high to high tier combatants change those priorities depending on who they are fighting and how they are getting attacked. They will change this mid fight if they have too. An aff tracker helps you see these changes and helps point you in the right direction. With enough practice you probably won't want to use the add tracker or even make your own to suit your own class. Scripts like those are made for all classes in mind and have problems like every big script has. It won't work 100% of the time but usefully for learning and help in you transition into something that's comfortable for you.

4) Mudlet has a clan in game with a great community of coders for questions if you run into any problems. There are loads of wikis online for help too.

5)practice practice practice. Get use to your class skills. The timing and how things flow together. The more you know how your skills work together the better off you will be mid fight.

6)AK is a good start for an add tracker. I use a heavily modified version of it to suit my needs and don't even use the whole thing. It's in the Technical Support part of the forums under Scripts and Curing systems. It can be a lot to take in script wise if you don't know what your looking at though

7)Ask around your city and house. There at plenty of people in each that would be willing to help you or even stand there and be a test dummy.

Vallie

I'd suggest looking at @Austere's aff tracker if only to see how he put stuff together. It's got a bunch of good base stuff written out that combines keybinds, scripts, triggers, and aliases, so it's an awesome tool to learn how to write things in lua and related to what you're planning to do already. Even has an example for creating GUI displays!

With that being said, don't worry too much about becoming a lua expert right away. Tackle small problems first, because you're mostly going to be using it in the scripting case - which means then it's just a matter of sticking small solutions together.

One of the first tasks you could start with is gagging and highlighting. Gag a bunch of the crap that's just spam, and highlight things like when you get balance back, when people fly, etc. Once you're comfortable, why not try making a conditional highlight/gag? For example when I readaura, I gag the return, then extract and highlight just the number of kinds of affs someone has. It's very simple, but taking it just a teensy side step up will already help you figure out how to write stuff !

Lucianus

absolutely nothing wrong with going into the scripts section and taking a look at what others have done and incorporate their ideas into your own scripts. I highly suggest doing that instead of just building from scratch. Test them out, break them, take them apart. Talk to those who developed it and ask them questions if they're willing to share their thought process on how they built their solution. You'll learn and understand far more by being involved in the process of trial and error.

Serin

Sounds good!  I did set up the AK aff counter but did not get a chance to test it out because of the Gods meeting at Delos last night!  Amazing to see that again after less than two weeks back into the game!

Jovolo

Use 'charts' and manualing or noob.