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All 1v1 fights are fair.
Rather than derail the 'The Revelation' thread, I pulled this quote from @Proficy and thought I'd start a new thread. Not sure why. Something about it just resonated with me and I felt compelled to talk about it. Here's what he said:
"You dont learn to pk in 10 on 3 fights....all the bigger force does is mash there bashing alias.. you learn by practicing 1 on 1 or fair fights is my point @atalkez ....
Which is why when they get into a fair fight afterwards you hear the complaints....
And yes any 1 on 1 fight is fair dont want to hear that "artefact whore" arguement... im always willing and wanting to fight anyone no artes "
Most of us have been playing IRE games for years and even if you're not a 'combatant' you're going to have at least some experience in PKing during that time. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people say things like "Oh don't fight so-and-so, he's a walking artifact shop." Or "You can't fight against such-and-such because he's just too good and too knowledgeable at fighting."
This attitude annoys the hell out of me. I will be the first to admit that my knowledge of combat isn't based on Achaea and while there are similarities, it's just general knowledge type stuff. But my god, I feel like if you have a problem with someone to the point where you want to call them a flacced pelvis attachment and then murder their face just a bit you should at least be willing to back that up with a bit of 1v1 violence. Taking @Proficy as an example, he said he's willing to fight without artifacts and even if his knowledge of combat outweighs your own, if things are at the point where you want to kill him, just go in and try. Don't bring a ganksquad. Don't try some crappy underhanded tactics. Just get in there and do it. You'll probably learn something and emerge better off.
Or y'know.. Don't pick fights with strong people. Don't let yourself get into a situation where combat is the answer. Contain yourself. Hakuna your tatas. Whatever. *throws hands in the air*
Am I right? Am I unreasonable? Reply and tell me.
*Disclaimer: Was only using Proficy as an example here. There isn't, as far as I know, some kind of situation where this is going on with them right now.
"You dont learn to pk in 10 on 3 fights....all the bigger force does is mash there bashing alias.. you learn by practicing 1 on 1 or fair fights is my point @atalkez ....
Which is why when they get into a fair fight afterwards you hear the complaints....
And yes any 1 on 1 fight is fair dont want to hear that "artefact whore" arguement... im always willing and wanting to fight anyone no artes "
Most of us have been playing IRE games for years and even if you're not a 'combatant' you're going to have at least some experience in PKing during that time. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people say things like "Oh don't fight so-and-so, he's a walking artifact shop." Or "You can't fight against such-and-such because he's just too good and too knowledgeable at fighting."
This attitude annoys the hell out of me. I will be the first to admit that my knowledge of combat isn't based on Achaea and while there are similarities, it's just general knowledge type stuff. But my god, I feel like if you have a problem with someone to the point where you want to call them a flacced pelvis attachment and then murder their face just a bit you should at least be willing to back that up with a bit of 1v1 violence. Taking @Proficy as an example, he said he's willing to fight without artifacts and even if his knowledge of combat outweighs your own, if things are at the point where you want to kill him, just go in and try. Don't bring a ganksquad. Don't try some crappy underhanded tactics. Just get in there and do it. You'll probably learn something and emerge better off.
Or y'know.. Don't pick fights with strong people. Don't let yourself get into a situation where combat is the answer. Contain yourself. Hakuna your tatas. Whatever. *throws hands in the air*
Am I right? Am I unreasonable? Reply and tell me.
*Disclaimer: Was only using Proficy as an example here. There isn't, as far as I know, some kind of situation where this is going on with them right now.
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Don't get me wrong, I think one vs one is a lot of fun! I just don't think it's something you should expect to happen as you mentioned it.
A lot of people don't play the game for 1v1 combat. Limiting group fights to only those who also enjoy 1v1 would be very boring. The issue a lot of people have is they try to be involved in group combat, and then are expected to 1v1 because they happened to help kill someone in a group fight.
I think anyone who wants to "talk the talk" and claim any sort of prowess at 1v1 should certainly duel others who want a piece of them. But there are people who are bothered by being attacked 1v1 who do not claim any sort of 1v1 superiority or desire to learn 1v1 (at least not in the near future) because they play the game for other aspects and don't want to devote that kind of time to it.
If you're just not interested, then I don't see the point. It's not about the fight being impossible or anything of the sort. If you want to be a 1v1 combatant, you certainly can and should fight anyone who wants to fight you - it's how you learn. But if you don't want it, you don't want it. And I don't think there's much enjoyment to be had from either side there.
So, I generally don't hunt people down who aren't 1v1ers, unless there's special reason like a writ, contract, or bounty, or they have a loud, rude mouth. It doesn't mean they have license to talk trash or randomly gank people without consequences, but there are certain scenarios that are just considered "group combat" scenarios and most people don't bother others for getting involved in those situations.
However, I'm talking about the people who DO 1v1 and want to be 'known' as a good fighter, but deliberately avoid people because of their artifacts or skill level but still want to run their mouth and be a 'big dog'. I'm sure everyone knows at least one person like that.
From my experience, people like this don't wanna actually learn to fight. They wanna learn to be able to beat people who're crap at fighting. Especially since there's a number of people who will remove their artifacts if the other person REALLY wants to fight.
Arena also negates a number of fun strategies, so that's a kinda silly point to make.
That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with avoiding a fight with someone who won't make it fun. It's a game, after all. It can be very frustrating to fight someone much more artied than you, or with an annoying class (Jester
In those situations I feel like it's entirely reasonable to jump them and smash them to gibblets however you can.
Just saying there are some who will. I know Proficy (as he mentioned) will do it, if he's desperate to fight you for a contract, for example. Not completing contract = he loses standing with the Mark. If artifacts are what keeps your victim from ever coming anywhere remotely close to your vicinity, it's a pretty easy compromise to make. Especially if you can beat them even without the artifacts.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
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On to the second point: getting to where you can make a credible showing against the weakest combatant is a pretty big investment. I don't mean credits, I mean the time to figure out what your abilities actually do and how to use them (the AB files for them are terrible), and then what your opponent's abilities do and how to defend against them. If you enjoy some other aspect of the game, this is all time taken away from that other aspect before you get to the point where you might get some enjoyment from the new activity.
Typo something you see wrong, they're (generally) quick on those fixes!
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
got gud
Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files
All of the argument in the other thread was more about the situation I described where people simply don't want to do 1v1 and don't talk trash and provoke. If you don't purport to be a combatant at all but tagged along with me because I can't fight a group of enemies by myself, yes, I'm going to defend you if you get attacked later solely because you supported me in group combat efforts.
Some people just frown upon everyone who does group combat but doesn't want to 1v1. But guess what, if the alternative is those people just not participating in group combat at all, raids and skirmishes are going to get pretty rare. You need a group to fight a group and have to use who you have.
I can only get a duel with Proficy if I agree not to use piety. Seragorn wouldn't duel Atalkez when Atalkez was Blademaster. Some people (though admittedly no one really "high tier") flat out refuse to fight Priests, etc.
To me, all of these things fall into the same category as above discussed, where you can't refuse to fight certain classes, impose conditions on fights, etc. and still claim superiority, but it's a more common occurrence for me than complaints about skill or arties.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
But I think if you're competitive in 1v1, part of that is learning to beat every class, even if frustrating. Sometimes things get less frustrating when you get better at them too. There's often something you didn't think of before that solves the problem.
You'd never have seen Tanris refuse to fight a certain class. Jhui doesn't. I don't. Atalkez doesn't. Different mindsets though. Depends what you play the game for.
Did i mention i hate priests
Tanris = unnatural at pk for some reason.. and played in a completely different time frame that what we are in. Now adays... you put mr against the 2005 priest class id rock there world all day
Jhui never scared because he again is a freak of nature with pk. But he mostly does it to test out what hes donr so far... always fun to fight jhui when he is a new class.. get to exploit all his oversights
And atalkez doesnt ever turn down fights cause be knows its how you get better at them. 100% positive the more atalkez loses. The more he WANTS to fight that class.
And you dont cause 2 out of 3 of your classes are op as all hell
Did i mention i hate priests
I did not say.. cause i know you will take it that way. That you only win because of the classes you are...
You know what i think about your talent..
BUT
Jus saying artied serp and priest are known for being stupidily versitile.
Did i mention i really hate priests