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Amulet of Yen-Sorte

Hirgrim
Hirgrim Member Posts: 49 ✭✭ - Stalwart
So I found out that multi-class was a thing, and an artefact to shorten the cooldown between switching classes. As a Runewarden, it made me wonder about if people simply switch between knight specialisations but remain the same class. Have learned about the Shop of Wonders item, a drop of Yen-Sorte's blood, which grants basic proficiency of all publicly available weapons, I had an idea.

What about an artefact, an Amulet of Yen-Sorte, that allows anyone of the knight class to change specialisation once per Achaean day without a lesson cost. I'll make no suggestions towards the projected cost, but thought I'd throw it out there as an idea.

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  • Sylvaria
    Sylvaria Member Posts: 215 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited December 2015
    Already been suggested, and it would make me stick a knight class permanently since I love to swap it up. I'm down for 1k credit cost for a 24h cooldown
  • Atalkez
    Atalkez Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 5,508 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Would give knights the ability to be 4 classes instead of 1 pretty trivially.

    The lesson cost is a good mitigator  for then currently.




    You hug Aurora compassionately.
  • Austere
    Austere TennesseeMember Posts: 2,379 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited December 2015
    You can switch spec 60 times for 1000 credits. I am not opposed to the idea, and I do think that is a fair threshold, considering the 24 hour cool down.  I would probably lengthen it a bit more and reduce the price.  500 for once per ig year or something.  Also, delete dwb. We don't need any more of them

    For argumentative sake, you can change class for 1250 credits on a one day cool down.  Why would trading a single skillset be so horrible? 
  • Morthif
    Morthif Member Posts: 1,747 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited December 2015
    That cooldown is redic 1-6 hours tops
  • Hirgrim
    Hirgrim Member Posts: 49 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    Atalkez said:
    Would give knights the ability to be 4 classes instead of 1 pretty trivially.

    The lesson cost is a good mitigator  for then currently.
    With multiclass, how would it be any different than switching between Runewarden, Infernal, and Paladin with the artefact that drops the class switch cooldown to 1 minute? It would just be a cheaper, more reasonable option, which wouldn't require someone to learn two separate classes with much different skill sets.

    I would be in favur of a shorter cooldown, so it could be used more often.
  • Atalkez
    Atalkez Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 5,508 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Hirgrim said:
    Atalkez said:
    Would give knights the ability to be 4 classes instead of 1 pretty trivially.

    The lesson cost is a good mitigator  for then currently.
    With multiclass, how would it be any different than switching between Runewarden, Infernal, and Paladin with the artefact that drops the class switch cooldown to 1 minute? It would just be a cheaper, more reasonable option, which wouldn't require someone to learn two separate classes with much different skill sets.

    I would be in favur of a shorter cooldown, so it could be used more often.
    You can't be those three classes anyway. Also if you were able to you would have to learn tri trans all three times. With a weapon spec swap you bypass needing to learn anything except once.

    The point I'm making is, as a class you get three skills. Making it easy to swap spec is essentially giving knights an option of up to four classes with no increased lesson cost.

    That isn't available for any other class setup.




    You hug Aurora compassionately.
    Valkyn
  • Aegoth
    Aegoth Member Posts: 2,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Speaking as a non-knight, it's pretty dumb to have to re-trans a skillset you're already trans in. Lusternia shares skillsets between weapon specs for knights with their multiclass
    Shirszae
  • Sylvaria
    Sylvaria Member Posts: 215 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Aegoth said:
    Speaking as a non-knight, it's pretty dumb to have to re-trans a skillset you're already trans in. Lusternia shares skillsets between weapon specs for knights with their multiclass
    I'd be ok with this too, mhaldorians/targossians can have runewarden/pally-infernal at a decreased cost, but get access to only maximum 2 specialisations without spending 100 lessons to swap. but that is my 2c
  • Shirszae
    Shirszae Santo DomingoMember Posts: 3,521 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    So? I don't really see that it isn't available to any other class as relevant. 

    Knights are the only class built with specialisation paths. I don't see why they can't receive convenience arties just to avoid the jealous stares from other classes. If you want in, you can hop on the class, or just look the other way.

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

  • Austere
    Austere TennesseeMember Posts: 2,379 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    It's 1250 credits for a paladin to pick up runewarden as a secondary class.  That's two new skillsets (assuming that they do not copy over spec). I cannot understand how you can compare the value of that to a 1000 credit artefact that changes a single skillset(assuming that is the price set). 
  • Nakari
    Nakari Member Posts: 596 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Shirszae said:
    So? I don't really see that it isn't available to any other class as relevant. 

    Knights are the only class built with specialisation paths. I don't see why they can't receive convenience arties just to avoid the jealous stares from other classes. If you want in, you can hop on the class, or just look the other way.
    Having built in specialization paths is already pretty convenient, though. I don't know that it makes sense to just give all knight classes unmatched flexibility in what they have to play as, just because knights would enjoy it. It's already really cheap, at least with this system there's some disadvantage to switching, which keeps knights from just being a 4-in-1 class for no particular reason.

    And I don't know that "hop class or look the other way" is a great balancing principle, in general.

  • Watchman
    Watchman Member Posts: 75
    If I could get away with not having to learn weaponmastery and chivalry all over again, and only need to pick up necromancy, I would go Infernal as my fourth class in a heartbeat. If I could further separate it so that I could have one weapon spec for Runewarden and another for Infernal then yea, I would absolutely jump at that.

    I can sort of understand them not doing it, though. Just because I'd spend the credits to make that workable doesn't mean others would, or should.
    Sylvaria
  • Antonius
    Antonius Member Posts: 5,040 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Watchman said:
    If I could further separate it so that I could have one weapon spec for Runewarden and another for Infernal then yea, I would absolutely jump at that.

    Should already be the case. I have different specs for Paladin and Runewarden.

    As for the artefact, since I've been asking constantly, I'm obviously in favour. I also feel like it will probably happen eventually since multiclass won't keep me buying credits forever.

    Titonus
  • Titonus
    Titonus Youngstown, OhioMember Posts: 238 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Antonius said:
    Watchman said:
    If I could further separate it so that I could have one weapon spec for Runewarden and another for Infernal then yea, I would absolutely jump at that.

    Should already be the case. I have different specs for Paladin and Runewarden.

    As for the artefact, since I've been asking constantly, I'm obviously in favour. I also feel like it will probably happen eventually since multiclass won't keep me buying credits forever.

    Wait, did they fix that where it doesn't cost you to set up the spec in the second Knight class, or did you the 100 lessons to do it? Even if I pay to change in runie, I don't want to have it switch my Infernal spec because I set a new on in Runie.

  • Antonius
    Antonius Member Posts: 5,040 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I paid to switch as Paladin, but my Runewarden spec didn't change. I think the issue was that specialisation wasn't being unset when you first gained the second Knight class, that may also be fixed, I already had both before it was so no way for me to tell.
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