Denizen levels

Daeros

So, I was wondering, when you PROBE, CONSIDER, etc a denizen, it says, "... is a humble looking creature." "... is not one to be trifled with." etc etc, are those like denizen levels? And do they have ... Number levels or something?

Example of what I mean: "... is a humble looking creature." = Level 10 or something

Cynlael

If you do STAT STATS, check total denizen levels, then kill a mob and check it again, you'll see their rough level.

Fusco

To answer the other part of your question, the probe lines are also like pseudo-levels. I actually have a trigger for each of them to just replace them with numbers because I can't remember that "Ringo Starr looks relatively helpless." means he's the second weakest category of denizens of Beatletopia.

Sena

As far as I've been able to tell, the consider lines seem to be mostly just based on level (level 1-4 is weak and feeble, 5-9 is relatively helpless, 75-99 is extraordinarily strong, etc.), but there are some exceptions (certain denizens that have a level well above or below the usual range for their consider line), so I'm not entirely sure how it works.

Trevize

Sena said:

As far as I've been able to tell, the consider lines seem to be mostly just based on level (level 1-4 is weak and feeble, 5-9 is relatively helpless, 75-99 is extraordinarily strong, etc.), but there are some exceptions (certain denizens that have a level well above or below the usual range for their consider line), so I'm not entirely sure how it works.

I don't know how accurate this is, but I vaguely remember 'consider' being health-based?

Which meant some discrepancies in how hard they are to kill, as some do more damage with less health, and some have more health and do less damage.

Again, I can't recall where I heard this, so I'm not completely sure how true it is.

Eld

Trevize said:

Sena said:

As far as I've been able to tell, the consider lines seem to be mostly just based on level (level 1-4 is weak and feeble, 5-9 is relatively helpless, 75-99 is extraordinarily strong, etc.), but there are some exceptions (certain denizens that have a level well above or below the usual range for their consider line), so I'm not entirely sure how it works.

I don't know how accurate this is, but I vaguely remember 'consider' being health-based?

Which meant some discrepancies in how hard they are to kill, as some do more damage with less health, and some have more health and do less damage.

Again, I can't recall where I heard this, so I'm not completely sure how true it is.

It's been a long time since I looked at it, but my recollection is that straight health did not match up with consider lines. Though I don't think I have the ranges recorded anywhere, I checked consider lines and levels for a bunch of different denizens, and it was very consistent. I only ever found one or two exceptions to the consider<->level correspondence; the only one I recall off the top of my head is the werewolves in LHG.

Fusco

This may be somewhat of a digression, but you've got me wondering. Is there a way I could test to find out a denizens health and how much I hit them for as a flat rather than percentage amount? I'd be interested to find out things like how much an attack hits for when I go up a level or how much the damage changes if I use something like flagellate on a denizen.

Trevize

Fusco said:

This may be somewhat of a digression, but you've got me wondering. Is there a way I could test to find out a denizens health and how much I hit them for as a flat rather than percentage amount? I'd be interested to find out things like how much an attack hits for when I go up a level or how much the damage changes if I use something like flagellate on a denizen.

Going up a level won't change your damage fyi.

edit: addendum, for hunting you will crit more, and if you're not trans the lessons you get and put into the appropriate skill may

Sena

Knights can check the exact health of their falcons (and apostates with their baalzadeens, but knights are a lot more common), so hitting a falcon allows you to check exactly how much damage you deal against denizens.

Austere

Sena said:

Knights can check the exact health of their falcons (and apostates with their baalzadeens, but knights are a lot more common), so hitting a falcon allows you to check exactly how much damage you deal against denizens.

Don't forget magi and golem, though I still want to say the numbers were a little different the only time I ever checked.