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Standardized weapons/armour - nondecay and resetting now?
Just thinking -
Now that weapons are standardized as far as statistics go, would it not make sense that for the same price as anything else, one should be able to nondecay and customize a stock weapon? Ultimately, you're locking yourself into the meager stats at a cost of 150cr (much less than a lvl 1 arte weapon), have a customizeable platform that won't decay as well as a resetting weapon to prevent loss.
It will gain you no benefit, as it's not like the days of old where you had the possibility of non-decaying a suit of 120/107 fullplate or a 243 speed rapier as a knight. All this would do for someone is:
1) Give them the option to further customize that weapon
2) Take away the stress of having a weapon decay after 60 - 120 days and having to purchase a new one
3) Allow them to better create their systems by using the same ID number for tracking/utility in their scripts
OH...but what about forging, won't that make it nearly useless?
I don't believe so, erroneous voice in my head. Mainly because I highly doubt there is a majority of the player base that -would- pay 150 credits to custom/nondecay/resetting a stock weapon...most would just pump out 300cr+ for arte weapons as it were, if that was the case. But, those that do would be locking themselves into that weapon for quite some time. Think also that it's not able to be traded in like a normal artefact weapon, so if they class change it's not like they're getting a benefit back from it (which will deter plenty of people from doing it to begin with).
Thoughts, considerations, additions or subtractions. No multiplication and don't derail the thread. No priest talk.
Now that weapons are standardized as far as statistics go, would it not make sense that for the same price as anything else, one should be able to nondecay and customize a stock weapon? Ultimately, you're locking yourself into the meager stats at a cost of 150cr (much less than a lvl 1 arte weapon), have a customizeable platform that won't decay as well as a resetting weapon to prevent loss.
It will gain you no benefit, as it's not like the days of old where you had the possibility of non-decaying a suit of 120/107 fullplate or a 243 speed rapier as a knight. All this would do for someone is:
1) Give them the option to further customize that weapon
2) Take away the stress of having a weapon decay after 60 - 120 days and having to purchase a new one
3) Allow them to better create their systems by using the same ID number for tracking/utility in their scripts
OH...but what about forging, won't that make it nearly useless?
I don't believe so, erroneous voice in my head. Mainly because I highly doubt there is a majority of the player base that -would- pay 150 credits to custom/nondecay/resetting a stock weapon...most would just pump out 300cr+ for arte weapons as it were, if that was the case. But, those that do would be locking themselves into that weapon for quite some time. Think also that it's not able to be traded in like a normal artefact weapon, so if they class change it's not like they're getting a benefit back from it (which will deter plenty of people from doing it to begin with).
Thoughts, considerations, additions or subtractions. No multiplication and don't derail the thread. No priest talk.
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Someone just brought up augmenting as a viable reason not to allow resetting on weapons (Giving you endless augmentations if it's destroyed).
Ultimately, I don't think it'd be entirely too difficult to add an exception into augmenting weapons/armour that it can't be done to non-decay/resetting things (like artes anyhow).
Considering how expensive some high-end descriptors can be (fullplate can get up to 20-30 credits worth of comms), it makes some sense.
Edit: There is no augmenting now. It was removed entirely.
Until multiclass comes out >.>
I've been cranking them out for novices because muh rank but it's drilled a huge hole in my wallet.
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It's really, really unusual that they didn't do this already. I was lucky I'd done resetting on a set of fullplate. I never did my free customisation but I don't think that means as much to me as it does to a lot of other people, at least not on armour. In fact, that seems to be a huge factor as to why so many people got blindsided here - because they never felt they had the perfect description, or the perfect set of armour to apply it to. Give these people a break.
As so many have noted already, non-decay/resetting in general has been very firmly denied, but what you can do is complain (loudly) if the material prices are too insane. Achaeans kind of suck at this, frankly. I don't know why. The other IRE players swiftly and loudly shut down any attempt to take away goodies/charge overly insane prices. In this case, Sarapis has even conceded from the get-go that the prices may need to come down, so keep that in mind, and look out for your financial best interests for once if the prices are really insane.
Alas, no one pays attention to that part, and they just repeat themselves over and over again about how forging would be pointless, despite the fact that it'd still be a money sink (to forge the weapon/armour in the first place) to have it non-decayed, and then the cost of it becoming useless if they class change or what have you as an incentive -not- to non-decay it to begin with.
All fair points though.
I've never been a fan of restricting things like this anyway.
If I can make a shirt resetting and non-decay, why I can't I pay the same price (or more!) to make my armour resetting and non-decay?
Just an odd restriction, imo.
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Someone said something about it before I just don't remember right now but if they do make artie armor you will basically have wasted the credits getting resetting and description.
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The prices for decaying armour are (apparently) a bit insane right now, but once that gets ironed out (which hopefully it does) a big reason people would do it would be sheer convenience. In that sense, it's probably good that we're being pushed to just buy it. If things end up the way they should it will be widely available anyway (because people are buying it) and hopefully basic sets won't break the bank, either, after some adjustments in price of materials.
The thing that probably really will suck for some people, is that you can generally get away with things in a custom description that you absolutely can't when you're working through the (apparently in every game) notoriously strict craft approval system. Some of you may think that only includes "horrible" descriptions, but I doubt it, and those people will be out of luck. The only way they'll be able to do that now will be to buy artifact armour and THEN pay to customize it. For a knight, who would have to buy the most expensive artie armour, ouch... In fact, it may be mainly monks and bards who do so if the price guide below is at all indicative of what we can expect. I say that with the hope that artie armour actually will NOT be a must have item. Nice, but not a gotta have it.
Here's Imperian's prices on artie armour for a possible price reference. Even once they standardize like we have (which I think they're planning on), this stuff probably won't be awesome enough to be a must have artifact over there.
Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files
paying 900 credits for below mediocre armor with no other benefit then resetting would be considered scamming by admins
What if we had something, say a blade hilt or pommel.
"Hilt of (cool word) 150cr"
or
"(something nifty) pommel 150cr"
'Attaching this to your weapon of choice will allow you to customize it and will become resetting for the duration of its lifespan. The weapon will decay normally, and once the blade is rendered useless the pommel/hilt will reset to your inventory and may be put on another weapon.
Be warned however, once crafted into an item it will permanently retain its shape meaning it would be useless to attempt to fit this hilt on any weapon type other than what it was originally crafted for.'
Basically one free customize token with a reset that still decays, but allows you to instantly slap it onto another weapon and keep your "custom" weapon while keeping the decay market in tact.
Also as part of the cash grab that is achaea, it can only be used on one type of weapon. So using it on a bastard sword renders it useless to use on any kind of other weapon in the future.
Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files
Another thing I forgot to mention with the sticker shock on production prices right now. It seems like there's a good chance those prices could be cut somewhat, especially if they're based on maintaining the massive gold sink that was created by people were pouring into the system to get insane armour and weapons, but I bet it's only going to go down so much - because it should probably be based on what it would have cost to get pretty mediocre/decent weapons (collectively). But even that's hard to gauge, because people kept moving the benchmarks for "crap", "mediocre", "good" and so forth, by forging their asses off (which is why the forging system was so damned evil).
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It also seems like it would be smart of them to do a different pricing scheme than Imperian currently has (i.e. not scale so steeply by class), and who knows, that may already be their plan.