Artifice Discussion

Xith

I'm not sure what I'll classless yet but I know it will involve the disadvantage in retardation. We need one or more of the following: 
- a disfigure, or other counter to enemy loyals
- our own temporary passive loyals, like an iceweird or something
- passive curing
- a counter for enemy passive curing
- chain effects (snap, daegger) or a counter to them
- disable rites/harmonics

Maybe a short room effect that gives enemies voyria 3 times before dissipating.

Regarding loyals I'd prefer temporary summons in elementalism. Or let deepfreeze affect enemy loyals, that sort of thing. 

Aegoth

Harmonics already do not work in Retardation. Should probably add nightmare/rites to that list

Trey

Xith said:

I'm not sure what I'll classless yet but I know it will involve the disadvantage in retardation. We need one or more of the following: 
- a disfigure, or other counter to enemy loyals

Same diff, but a bladed weapon proficiency and monkshood will get you 'disfigure', or rather disloyalty. Not ideal in retardation since you'd have to drop either your shield (if SoA) or staff to wield it, but it's possible. Not as bad now that your golem can do shit too, though.