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Marked for Death

HerenicusHerenicus The Western FrontMember Posts: 1,734 @@ - Legendary Achaean


Here is Sunday's edition of Marked for Death

Herenicus v. @Telvantes : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/3c82f93d
Herenicus v. @Saibel : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/d4d7c802
@Saibel v. Herenicus : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/0e65b0d7
Herenicus v. @Herose : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/7bb89a9d
Herenicus v. @Elazar : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/f0a03f69
Herenicus v. @Orzaansyn : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/565f22ab
@Herose v. Herenicus : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/da56bef9
@Cresil v. Herenicus : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/a165841e
@Mazzington v. Herenicus : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/fb09b4c1
@Atalkez v. Herenicus : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/1f6a3061

Obviously a lot of improvements to be made. The low-hanging fruit that I have noticed include: 

(1) Need better EQ and BAL alerts
(2) Must avoid spamming aliases hoping for EQ or BAL
(3) Need better parry/venom strategies (or any parry/venom strategy in some cases)

Thanks in advance for advice and suggestions. If other people participating in Marked for Death want to post their experiences or logs in this thread, be my guest. 
HeroseKadinOmiSuladanAddamaAlcinaeKrossChiamSaibelTerraJhui
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Comments

  • KadinKadin Member Posts: 123 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    I would suggest using basic highlighting for balance and eq. At least for me it works and doesn't spam me like a huge echo. For the spamming in search of balance/eq I highly recommend server side aliases. I'm not going to pretend I know all to much about parry strategies and allow someone more knowledgable to answer that. 
    Herenicus
  • DartegaDartega Member Posts: 148 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Not sure why you would stop spamming aliases or need eq/bal alerts. Chasing balance is usually preferred, especially for an apostate I would say.
    Just turn off show text sent to mud in settings and highlight your attacks going through.
    JinsunHerenicusAustere
  • MishgulMishgul ROTHERHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMember Posts: 5,378 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    If I'm using daegger hunt, I would have daemonite out for hindering them and giving you the chance to knock them off balance if you are close to locking them, preventing escape or shielding. If i'm using nightmare, i'd keep the daegger on the side for shadowstriking when you have 3 or more afflictions to hinder them. 

    Also removing deafness with sensitivity early and using bloodworms can seriously disrupt their offense, even without confusion. Couldn't find sensitivity with the find function so not sure you used it in your fight with Herose that he won.

    I'm not sure how long the fight was because no timestamps, but demon stain wears off after 90 -120 seconds so you have to be aware of that if you are going for locks and don't want bloodroot to cure slickness if he gets his priorities wrong at a critical point when you are close to locking him.

    -

    One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important

    As drawn by Shayde
    hic locus est ubi mors gaudet succurrere vitae
    MelodieHerenicus
  • MishgulMishgul ROTHERHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMember Posts: 5,378 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I try to be as spammy as possible, to try and keep myself on edge. If i make myself too comfortable, I felt like I was more likely to make mistakes, so I never tried to cut down on spam. For the most part, it worked when I was trying to win fights. If i let myself get too comfortable I always ended up dying to something stupid.

    -

    One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important

    As drawn by Shayde
    hic locus est ubi mors gaudet succurrere vitae
  • JeslynJeslyn United StatesMember Posts: 482 @ - Epic Achaean
    All of those cool things apostates have... makes me jealous. My question is, how do you get svo to tell you what your victim is afflicted with? I usually have to diagnose to see what landed on them.
  • JinsunJinsun TN, USAMember, Secret Squirrel Posts: 3,041 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Can't agree more with @Dartega‌  it's time to go to your settings and remove show the text I sent. You may also consider in the future putting your aff tracker to the side in a GUI. That's pretty fancy pants but cuts back on spam 
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    HerenicusAustereDartega
  • AntoniusAntonius Member Posts: 4,991 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    A couple of things defensively against Elazar:

    You weren't using rebounding. No limb damage from your side offensively, so there's no downside to using it. You won anyway, but there's no reason to make it harder on yourself than it needs to be.

    This part:
    You may apply another salve or balm to yourself.
    4750h, 4782m, 21685e, 12731w cxkdb[ra1 rl1 ll1 pr]-(apply renewal to arms)fly
    You take out some balm and quickly rub it on your arms.
    The bones in your right arm mend. (1.284s)
    4750h, 4782m, 21685e, 12731w cxkdb[rl1 ll1 pr]-fly
    fly
    fly
    fly
    fly
    You have recovered equilibrium. (8.717s)
    4750h, 4782m, 21685e, 12731w cexkdb[rl1 ll1 pr]-(restore)
    You must be standing first.
    4750h, 4782m, 21685e, 12731w cexkdb[rl1 ll1 pr]-
    You must be standing first.
    4750h, 4782m, 21685e, 12731w cexkdb[rl1 ll1 pr]-
    Energy wreathes itself about your body to heal your limbs. (i)
    The bones in your left leg mend.
    The bones in your right leg mend.
    4750h, 4582m, 21685e, 12691w cxkdb[rl1 ll1 pr]-(-200m, 3.7%) fly
    You may apply another salve or balm to yourself.
    4750h, 4582m, 21685e, 12691w cxkdb[rl1 ll1 pr]-(apply renewal to legs)
    You take out some balm and quickly rub it on your legs.
    You messily spread the balm over your body, to no effect. (4.796s) (4.18s)
    4750h, 4582m, 21685e, 12691w cxkdb[pr]-fly
    Saibel projects a net of light about herself and you watch as her image becomes faded and ghostly.
    4750h, 4582m, 21685e, 12691w cxkdb[pr]-fly
    fly
    Elazar takes a drink from a stygian vial.
    4750h, 4567m, 21685e, 12691w cxkdb[pr]-(-15m, 0.3%) fly
    fly
    fly
    You may apply another salve or balm to yourself.
    4750h, 4567m, 21685e, 12709w cxkdb[pr]-
    Elazar takes a long drag off his pipe.
    4750h, 4567m, 21685e, 12709w cxkdb[pr]-fly
    fly
    fly
    Lightning-quick, Elazar jabs you with an ornate steel rapier.
    You watch, in horror, as your left arm shrivels up and becomes useless.
    Elazar viciously jabs an ornate steel rapier into you.
    You stumble as your left leg shrivels into a useless appendage.
    4548h, 4836m, 21685e, 12709w cxkdb[ll1 pr]-
    

    No reason to restore if all you have is two broken legs and prone; it's part of the Svo defaults intended to "stand up faster", but in that situation (and basically every other one I've ever seen) it actually means you stand a lot slower than you could have done. You had enough time for two mending/renewal applications to legs, then possibly could have stood up, before his next doubleslash.
    HerenicusElazarValaria
  • JinsunJinsun TN, USAMember, Secret Squirrel Posts: 3,041 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Leave restore off SVO default and manual restore in emergencies
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    Herenicus
  • AddamaAddama Member Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Yeah, restore is something that a lot of people can exploit if you have it set to trigger.  F.ex, if I notice an enemy is restoring liberally, I'll switch from curare/aconite or curare/prefarar to epteth/epseth.  In effect I can force them off eq for most of the fight with minimal effort.

    That's how I beat Wayde, anyway, but it's not as though that's one of my crowning achievements.
    ~Kresslack's obsession~
    Herenicus
  • AtalkezAtalkez Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 5,216 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    My link is broken! 


    You hug Aurora compassionately.
  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western FrontMember Posts: 1,734 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Going through and marking every reply as insightful seems like poor forum etiquette, but that's how progress feels. Thank you. 
  • SaibelSaibel ChicagoMember Posts: 67 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    You've been a busy bee, Herenicus! :)
    Dragonknight tells you, "SAIBEL SAIBEL BO BAIBEL FE FI FO FABLE."
    MelodieAlcinae
  • DartegaDartega Member Posts: 148 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited December 2014
    Probably also useful to note when you see sileris falling off randomly in a fight (think I saw this in your first link). This means your nightmare just hit them with gecko and you can jump on that.

    Also, using the serverside queue for deadeyes makes a pretty noticeable difference in speed.
    Austere
  • TarazaTaraza Member Posts: 206 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    One that that I generally recommend in terms of apostates as well as if you have the "Mind Warden" trait contemplate after -each- deadeye. There's no reason not to. Particularly since you never know when you can sneak in a catharsis in a fight. Apostates have a wide variety of options and it's great. 

    Definitely agree with staring stupidity while hunting, most of the time as well when a person has stupidity half the time it forces them to shield. This can actually stop your -own- momentum. 

    Overall, great job and definitely keep it up :) 

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  • VaehlVaehl Member Posts: 962 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited December 2014
    There's a lot of people that can provide a bunch of healthy insight into Apostate.

    Thing is, there's also a lot of misinformation out there too. Feel free to PM me and use msgs etc, I'm up for helping especially after seeing you spar so much.
    Mishgul
  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, FloridaMember Posts: 5,147 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    This thread is so helpful. I love all of you.

    I might actually start practicing 1v1 again, between this thread and @Kuy's wonderful personal help.
    And I love too                                                                          Be still, my indelible friend
    That love soon might end                                                         You are unbreaking
    And be known in its aching                                                      Though quaking
    Shown in this shaking                                                             Though crazy
    Lately of my wasteland, baby                                                 That's just wasteland, baby
  • DaslinDaslin The place with the oxygenMember Posts: 2,492 @@ - Legendary Achaean


    This is how I did Serpent. I smashed things like I was playing Eddy on Tekken. Admittedly, I knew what things did on my keyboard, compared to eddy's moves (who the shit actually knows his combos?) I've always been a fan of spamming attacks, and it's no less effective as aff class, imo.
    Shirszae
  • ExelethrilExelethril Member Posts: 3,360 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Spam is good for saving a few milliseconds of balance if you don't use serverside queueing.

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  • ChiamChiam Member Posts: 144 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Spam is good for saving a few milliseconds of balance if you don't use serverside queueing.
    or a hundred milliseconds, if you play at 300-400 ping like me.
    ExelethrilAradorShirszae
  • JinsunJinsun TN, USAMember, Secret Squirrel Posts: 3,041 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Daslin said:


    This is how I did Serpent. I smashed things like I was playing Eddy on Tekken. Admittedly, I knew what things did on my keyboard, compared to eddy's moves (who the shit actually knows his combos?) I've always been a fan of spamming attacks, and it's no less effective as aff class, imo.
    I was actually one of those who learned how to control eddy. Super badass but had horrible weaknesses. I miss tekken tag
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  • CynlaelCynlael Member Posts: 3,257 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Why bother learn to control him, when playing him like a monk, and smashing any button you can works perfectly fine.

  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western FrontMember Posts: 1,734 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited December 2014
    Monday's edition of Marked for Death

    @Proficy v. Herenicus : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/f3294be9
    @Aegoth v. Herenicus : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/cf37dd7d
    @Gerwulf v. Herenicus : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/e84c3ea3
    @Xinna v. Herenicus : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/d61b7ba3
    @Ayoxele v. Herenicus : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/c7ab2346

    Updates include: (1) Basic highlighting; (2) Turned off showing text sent; (3) Marginally-improved situational awareness; (4) Deafness/sensitivity/bloodworms; (5) Contemplate

    To do: (1) Restoration salve 101; (2) Jovolo's advice 

    Tuesday's edition of Marked for Death 

    @Atalkez v. Herenicus (Part One) : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/158ff093
    @Atalkez v. Herenicus (Part Two) : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/965bc8bc
    @Atalkez v. Herenicus (Part One) : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/4cbba287
    @Atalkez v. Herenicus (Part Two) : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/1aa8169d

    ...and maybe you! 

    Thanks to everyone for participating. Special mention goes out to @Malifuus (for trying long ago to lure me away from shitty hotkeys), @Nocroth (for evileye and contemplate/catharsis scripts, still free to a good Apostate home), @Ayoxele (for an afternoon of invaluable Q&A), and @Xinna.
    AtalkezMizik
  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western FrontMember Posts: 1,734 @@ - Legendary Achaean
  • SeftinSeftin Member Posts: 923 @ - Epic Achaean
    Keep it up @Herenicus, glad to see you getting involvedin combat!
    JovoloAtalkezJhui
  • MizikMizik Member Posts: 2,169 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Bro, that Damnation log was B-R-U-T-A-L.
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    AddamaDalranHerenicus
  • AntoniusAntonius Member Posts: 4,991 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited December 2014
    After reading that log against Gerwulf... Whatever parry strategy you're using in Svo, disable that shit. Parrying the last limb hit is about as effective as not using parry at all; I don't know if he wasn't paying attention or just made some mistakes with what he was targetting, but seemed like he didn't really tweak that that's what you were doing.

    You could have avoided the Damnation if you'd applied to cure anorexia rather than the crippled leg, after the second restoration finished. Might be worth learning how to code affliction priority switches in Svo, plenty of people willing to help with that if you need it; if you've got a broken head and anorexia against a Paladin, cure anorexia first. Looks like Gerwulf missed out on a double epteth doubleslash (probably stupidity eating a command?), which allowed you to touch tree - though at that point it was a waste of balance, might have also helped save you if you'd had tree available after hellsight/arc.

    EDIT: What's with constantly putting up satiation? Seems like an unnecessary waste of equilibrium, which you did right at the end before the kill after standing. I don't know if Gerwulf has buckawn's, but you were standing with no broken limbs at the end; that's as good a time as any to gamble on trying to web (does web stop damnation? I've never tested).
    Herenicus
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